Civic SI review: Am I reading the dash right?

In reply to Rupert:

I had a stock '85 CRX si, and agree that it was an absolute blast to autocross.

PAX FTD does not equal FTD.

You're right, my brain totally skipped over the word PAX. Although , i dont like the term PAX FTD in the first place and wish it was not used.

Closest i ever got to 'pax ftd' was 15 out of about 70-80 in my stock 93 Dodge Dynasty in H-stock. H-stock has come a long way since then!!

In reply to Vigo:

Pax makes about as much sense as the ricer math(hp per liter)........its just another way for slow people to think they're fast.

Im all for pax but i dont think mixing pax and 'fastest time of the day' makes sense. Top pax should have its own name, like Top Pax.

I think it comes down to whether or not you think the indexes are fair. If you do, then PAX in general is a way of comparing drivers of many different types of cars. I personally see value in that, and see no problem in having both a PAX FTD and a raw FTD. They are two different measures and both have value. If you don't think the indexes are fair, then you must also believe that no PAX time is valid, not just PAX FTD. At least that's the way I see it.

In reply to bravenrace:

I never believed they were fair at all, so that explains that.

Is that because you never do well in PAX?

kanaric wrote: It's a civic si, a completely uninspiring car, what do you expect? If you want a civic si that isn't 100 years behind and E36 M3 get a Veloster Turbo or something, lol. jk, but no seriously a veloster is better than a pos civic.

Quit trolling. Everyone knows there is nothing sport about those cars. For 200hp and lots of torque it has horrible stats. Plus it's a Hyundai. Trying to italicize honda and crap like that.

I think it comes down to whether or not you think the indexes are fair. If you do, then PAX in general is a way of comparing drivers of many different types of cars. I personally see value in that, and see no problem in having both a PAX FTD and a raw FTD. They are two different measures and both have value. If you don't think the indexes are fair, then you must also believe that no PAX time is valid, not just PAX FTD. At least that's the way I see it.

Oh, i love pax. Ive loved out-paxing people AND out-rawing people in h-stock, but if i cant do both i will sure settle for PAX! My thing is that PAX FTD is just an incongruous term. Getting top pax is not getting the FASTEST TIME of the day in any way. It's getting a time that's NOT the fastest (there's the problem), but happens to look best after class modifier. If you said to someone, "my class has the fastest pax modifier", they would look at you strangely, because you were probably not using the proper adjective. Same issue.

Either way, that's semantics and beating a dead horse. I like the idea of PAX a lot, my only problem with PAX FTD is purely semantic and nobody else cares.

bravenrace wrote: I think it comes down to whether or not you think the indexes are fair. If you do, then PAX in general is a way of comparing drivers of many different types of cars. I personally see value in that, and see no problem in having both a PAX FTD and a raw FTD. They are two different measures and both have value. If you don't think the indexes are fair, then you must also believe that no PAX time is valid, not just PAX FTD. At least that's the way I see it.

I couldn't care less about PAX .. I don't know/care whether PAX is fair or not ... I have never tried to compare myself to any other class of cars ... I run STS and the only other class I compare myself to is STC (since the 2 classes are essentially the same)