Tralfaz wrote: In reply to Swank Force One: I know, but "not special" and "Mediocre in every sense of the word" aren't quite the same thing.T
Maybe the phrase "completely average" would have been received better. 
Tralfaz wrote: In reply to Swank Force One: I know, but "not special" and "Mediocre in every sense of the word" aren't quite the same thing.
Maybe the phrase "completely average" would have been received better.
Tralfaz wrote: In reply to Swank Force One: I know, but "not special" and "Mediocre in every sense of the word" aren't quite the same thing.
In the modern world of Japanese 4 cylinders it is pretty mediocre IMHO.
In reply to yamaha:
My "butthurt" (To use your witty phrasing) stems not from any slight of the BP engine, but rather from my disappointment that a usually intelligent discussion board is disturbed by the rambling posts of one with an inability to read (and comprehend) before replying.
It worries me for the future... Ya Know? (Hmm, Maybe not.....)
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Why would anyone recommend the BP in this thread (not that they did) it simply is 2 cylinders deficient....?
In reply to Swank Force One:
Maybe.... :)
Tralfaz wrote: In reply to yamaha: My "butthurt" (To use your witty phrasing) stems not from any slight of the BP engine, but rather from my disappointment that a usually intelligent discussion board is disturbed by the rambling posts of one with an inability to read (and comprehend) before replying. It worries me for the future... Ya Know? (Hmm, Maybe not.....) T Why would anyone recommend the BP in this thread (not that they did) it simply is 2 cylinders deficient....?
I assume you're alluding to the fact that OP is only interested in V6s?
He didn't say that. He said he'd like to do a V6, but then followed up with an open question of something along the lines of "are there any other good Mazda motors?"
My "panning" of the BP was in response to the OP asking if there were "any other motors Mazda can be proud of" besides the 13B and the BP. I was merely stating that the BP is hardly the benchmark.
93EXCivic wrote: In the modern world of Japanese 4 cylinders it is pretty mediocre IMHO.
Tralfaz, would you like a cookie for insulting my edjumakacion? (I am blatantly teasing btw)
Can we start complaining about Mazda transmissions? Come on now people, I can't be the only one that isn't excited about their gear boxes. That M50 whatever that went into some of the Super Coupes and the F150, I never hear anyone talk about that thing, eh? Is there a good Mazda gearbox to go with a KL or F2?
In reply to pres589:
IDK, the mazda boxes in the sho's hold up really well until you get one wheel spinning without the other and the differential pin puts a vent port in the case. 
f2t will bolt up to the b2200 and b2600 transmissions and can be adapted to the turbo II fc trans......only advice for the 300i6 and supercoupe is to put a t5 in there.
I assume for rwd the klze requires adapting as well
Don't even get me started on their AWD gearboxes.. Gad why'd I ever start in on rallying an awd protege... and think it was a good idea to put a alltrac GT4 box in... Oh! Cuz I'm stoopid, that's why!
lol, my interest is in a V6 miata. I like proper builds, like my 302 Miata (Ford's affiliation with Miata makes it ok in my book). But the more I thought about it, the more I wondered what my options would be. Spinout knows I don't like to make anything easy, so I'm not too worried about how hard the swap would be, but I'm not going to pay for custom everything for the inside of the block just to make 300hp. It looks likes the speed's come with decent motors, and I figured because people are racing them. It's nice to see so many Mazda people on the forum! lol
Oh, and this is a great read. When I get back home I'll reread and contribute. Very insightful.
If you can use a RX7 trans then those will hold all the power you'd every want (more or less). I'm not sure of other Mazda trans thou.I'm a huge fan of the Audi/VW A10E and the variants there of
R26B?
Renesis? lol
KZ sounds as though it is the best bet for what you are looking for, and I forget the mazda code but there was also the 1.8 v6 in the mx3 too....
In reply to JtspellS:
Cool little motor but won't make 300hp without building it. Then considering the kl fits anywhere a k8 does there's really no point.
Mazda seems to have only made two fwd trans worth a damn, no awd trans worth a damn, and only a couple rwd trans worth a damn.
For a 300-400hp turbo kl miata, I'd just use a T5 with an adapter like Tim @ Absurdflow did with his turbo kl miata.
93EXCivic wrote: In the modern world of Japanese 4 cylinders it is pretty mediocre IMHO.
Wait, how is it fair to compare an engine that was designed 25 years ago to current ones?
Take the 5.0 from an '84-85 Mustang GT and compare it to the 5.0 in my '13 Mustang GT (Engine came out in 2011 so likely designed in 2009ish).
Double the HP, loves to Rev, more TQ, etc.
I wonder if the Mazda 2 engine bolts up to any rwd transmissions? They are small, light and available for dirt cheap.
3 rotor
Swank Force One wrote:clutchsmoke wrote:Yep, also a good choice, but i don't know much about them besides that they make power. Have people started swapping them into other cars yet?Swank Force One wrote: The KL (2.5 v6) will make over 300whp quite easily with a proper turbo setup and a good tune. The JE (3.0 V6) will probably do more than that, but it's not a lightweight. The F2T (2.2 i4 turbo) will laugh at you and ask you for more in a completely emasculating fashion no matter how much boost you throw at it. The FE3/FE-DOHC/FE3N (2.0 i4) is legendary in its ability to hold a metric E36 M3load of power in completely stock form with a turbo. Honestly... the 1.8 is a pretty mediocre motor in every sense of the word. It's a good motor because of the car it came in. The car it came in is not a good car because of its motor. It's cheap because it's well supported, but it's not special in any way.This plus the new(ish) 2.3 DISI 4cyl that's in the Speed3/6 is also a beast. And so is the trans/clutch.
I don't think so. DI makes the 2.3L DISI rather tall and I can't think of any RWD transmissions off the top of my head that bolt to it. The DISI pulls like a freight train and has gobs of torque. but has some issues you need to be aware of (fuel dilution, lousy PCV valve system, high-pressure fuel pump runs out of breath above 5500rpm). I think 500bhp is the max one can handle on a stock bottom end and that's with very careful tuning. The MS3's gearbox is pretty stout.
To be fair though, a HPFP (and tune) and PCV system just took care of your 3 issues, relatively cheaply.
If the Speed 3 had been RWD, I think I'd still own it. HELLLLLLOOOOOO Torque steer!
The MZR motors and trans are just plain mean as hell, just need to find a way to make the dash work in that ever you are running (some reason you HAVE to have the dash for the engine to work)
To Mazda's defense how are the MS6 trans holding up? I know the Diff mounts are less then stellar but idk about the rest of the drivetrain.
Torque steer is natures way of saying you need to get some muscles
z31maniac wrote: To be fair though, a HPFP (and tune) and PCV system just took care of your 3 issues, relatively cheaply. If the Speed 3 had been RWD, I think I'd still own it. HELLLLLLOOOOOO Torque steer!
I addressed all of those issues while I had mine. And like you, I might have kept my MS3 if it were RWD.
300hp can be had easily with the MZR 2.3 turbo. Stock torque is to die for, 280lb-ft is hard to find in NA V6's.
Torque steer keeps you involved in the driving experience. Just like a manual transmission does.
JtspellS wrote: Torque steer is natures way of saying you need to get some muscles
Except my track car on Rcomps has no ABS/TCS/ no power steering etc. Troll elsewhere broseph. 
sergio wrote: Torque steer keeps you involved in the driving experience. Just like a manual transmission does.
If that's what you need to tell yourself, it's actually boring to not be able to use full throttle until 4th gear on anything but racetrack pavement.
But keep adhering to that false sense of machismo.
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