Trade for a real mid-engined beast that won Editors' Choice at the 2023 Challenge. Plus cash on your end.
Trade for a real mid-engined beast that won Editors' Choice at the 2023 Challenge. Plus cash on your end.
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:You should put high end coilovers on it and get a flat six innovations 4.0 and make it a sleeper track day fun car. Yes that's expensive, but it's also worth it. It will need nothing else.
Well it would need a donor engine to make the 4.0. And camber plates/arms for a decent alignment. And then that power level would need a clutch and brake upgrade, probably would want some kind of LSD installed as well.
I don't know how to say this in a way that doesn't sound condescending, so just believe that I don't mean it that way: if you don't see and appreciate the difference between the cayman and an mr2 or a triumph you're probably best served by fixing it and selling it rather than trying to find a place for it in your life.
Fix and sell. Period.
You have toys already that fill most the needs. The car does not deserve to be made to run on dirt. Its like my dream road car. That's the car to do a 48 state tour with. And, you are GRM not PCA. You are already showing us the future with EV, and showing us the possible with the moded cars. We already know what is available from the showroom. Keep up the good work.
Built not bought!
Oh BTW... please post sale price here first. 
dps214 said:I don't know how to say this in a way that doesn't sound condescending, so just believe that I don't mean it that way: if you don't see and appreciate the difference between the cayman and an mr2 or a triumph you're probably best served by fixing it and selling it rather than trying to find a place for it in your life.
It's not that the Cayman isn't better than those cars (it is) or that I don't appreciate the difference (I do). My point is this: for a leisurely drive on a twisty road, the Cayman is just too good. It's tough to really enjoy the drive without going far faster than you should be going on a public road. This story required playing devil's advocate for every idea, but I really do think my Spitfire is more fun than the Cayman on a Sunday drive. Not better or faster or safer or any of those things, but more fun.
DWNSHFT said:If you sell it you will regret it for a long time. If the EV revolution actually does happen (is authoritatively legislated) you will regret it for the rest of your life.
Keep it!
It's like Tim getting the 997 and realizing, wow, these P-cars are amazing!
Eh, I daily an EV and love it, so I'm not really all doom and gloom about the future. And the future existing, or even becoming popular, doesn't mean I can't still play with old cars, too.
Modern cars have automatic ignition timing advance!!! Which is insane and way too fancy for my tastes. But luckily I can still drive my '29 Ford Model A without issues. Manual timing advance forever! Down with big government's vacuum advance agenda! And don't even get me started on spark tables in modern ECUs.... Blasphemy!
I should probably post one more thought: I'm still pinching myself that I'm really looking at a Porsche in my garage--a shiny modern Porsche. I'm not a brand snob. But I'd be lying if I said the Porsche didn't seem special for some reason. I'm insanely lucky to have to answer the question "what should I do with my Cayman?"
2 options from me.
1. OEM+ but with reputable aftermarket parts comparisons vs. True OEM parts. Is the Porsche tax real?
2. Fix and flip but on an auction site. Document the process of selling on BAT, Cars & Bids, pcarmarket, etc.
If you did not fall in love with it on the drive home, fix it and flip it.
As someone that recently joined the P-car club, OEM+ is my plan but only minor tweaks to improve handling a bit (and praying I don't ruin the ride quality) and address known weak points (shift cables for instance on the 987.x)
PMRacing said:1. OEM+ but with reputable aftermarket parts comparisons vs. True OEM parts. Is the Porsche tax real?
Porsche Tax? Yes.
My 987.1 exhaust from Soul Performance Products was $4k. Ouch, but the sound it makes...
Jesse Ransom said:How often do you have cause to want to drive a car to a faraway track day? Maybe that's what it can do that so many others can't or can't do as well... To be pleasant all the way there and still be worth having arrived at a track?
This I think is the magic of the P-car. And also why I won't modify my Miata. Since I don't have a truck, trailer, and multiple caged racecars, a single car that does it all is a great compromise for normal people. Due to his job, Tom doesn't have to compromise like that, so the Porsche probably doesn't make sense.
Tom Suddard said:I should probably post one more thought: I'm still pinching myself that I'm really looking at a Porsche in my garage--a shiny modern Porsche. I'm not a brand snob. But I'd be lying if I said the Porsche didn't seem special for some reason. I'm insanely lucky to have to answer the question "what should I do with my Cayman?"
The ultimate first-world problem?
Tom Suddard said:DWNSHFT said:If you sell it you will regret it for a long time. If the EV revolution actually does happen (is authoritatively legislated) you will regret it for the rest of your life.
Keep it!
It's like Tim getting the 997 and realizing, wow, these P-cars are amazing!
Eh, I daily an EV and love it, so I'm not really all doom and gloom about the future. And the future existing, or even becoming popular, doesn't mean I can't still play with old cars, too.
Modern cars have automatic ignition timing advance!!! Which is insane and way too fancy for my tastes. But luckily I can still drive my '29 Ford Model A without issues. Manual timing advance forever! Down with big government's vacuum advance agenda! And don't even get me started on spark tables in modern ECUs.... Blasphemy!
This isn't what they meant, but considering the general reaction to the 718, I wouldn't be surprised if cayman values increase significantly across the board when the internal combustion 718 goes out of production at the end of next year. Might be worth hanging on to it until then at least.
Years ago you guys did a build series trying to make an E30 318 match an E30 M3 performance. Do that again to make this match GT4 RS performance.
I'll be bringing a super cool '03 Mini with the roof cut off of it to Florida in April. My loss your gain but I'll trade you straight up... you know where to find me.
Fix the transmission and drive it around for a bit. If you find you love the car, keep it. If you find yourself thinking it's only X-Y-Z mod(s) away from being perfect, do XYZ mods and have fun. If you find you truly don't care one way or another, flip it.
I don't know what your budget looks like, but I know I couldn't afford to put something like that into a wall and walk away from it, so I would avoid turning it into a track car. I also shudder to think how much it would cost to replace a blown motor if it popped on track- that's not a repair bill I would want to eat.
Fix the transmission to let us know if its something we can do ....
You have already driven it cross country so you know if you like the seats etc after hours and hours........
When its fixed sell $100 raffle tickets to readers :)
Sell it and buy the fastest car GRM ever tested at the FIRM?
sell it and put it all on black while y'all are in vegas for SEMA
My perspective on this will be tainted by the fact that I owned a 981 Cayman S for about a year and a half, then sold it.
I think when you strip it down there's really two reasons to own one of these:
1) You want one car to do everything (daily, road trips, track, etc.) and are willing to accept the attendant compromises; or
2) You really want to own a Porsche, or have people see you owning a Porsche (I'm not judging)
In the first category: it made a good daily but I never really got to drive it in a satisfying way from traffic light to traffic light. It was fine for road trips but not as good as, say, a Camry. It was fun in the mountains, which I think I did maybe twice in 18 months. It was fun on the track but needed expensive suspension and cooling mods to make it really stand up against track cars. Then it was terrifying to think about what would happen if I had an incident, or blew a motor or transmission.
In the second category: if you want to meet aging men who don't really know much about cars at the gas station, this is your car. "Real" Porsche aficionados look down their nose at it. Everyone else thinks you're a pretentious douche for driving it, even though it costs less than an F-150. Plus don't you already own a 911?
I loved that car, but for me the reality didn't meet the expectations. In a month I meet more strangers who want to talk about my ND Miata than I did in a year in the Cayman. A high proportion of them are good looking women or genuine car nuts, or both. With the price of used Porsches reaching ludicrous levels, I would fix it and flip it in a hearbeat.
In reply to ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) :
I still desperately want a 981 S.
In reply to z31maniac :
that's reasonable. It's still the best car I ever owned.
Send it to Deman, 4.5L, MCS coilovers, pair of Euro GT3 steats, and rollbar. Done
Olemiss540 said:Send it to Deman, 4.5L, MCS coilovers, pair of Euro GT3 steats, and rollbar. Done
At which point you've got a $100k base Cayman.
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) said:Olemiss540 said:Send it to Deman, 4.5L, MCS coilovers, pair of Euro GT3 steats, and rollbar. Done
At which point you've got a $100k base Cayman.
...A $100k base cayman that you can't run on pump gas.
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) said:My perspective on this will be tainted by the fact that I owned a 981 Cayman S for about a year and a half, then sold it.
I think when you strip it down there's really two reasons to own one of these:
1) You want one car to do everything (daily, road trips, track, etc.) and are willing to accept the attendant compromises; or
2) You really want to own a Porsche, or have people see you owning a Porsche (I'm not judging)
In the first category: it made a good daily but I never really got to drive it in a satisfying way from traffic light to traffic light. It was fine for road trips but not as good as, say, a Camry. It was fun in the mountains, which I think I did maybe twice in 18 months. It was fun on the track but needed expensive suspension and cooling mods to make it really stand up against track cars. Then it was terrifying to think about what would happen if I had an incident, or blew a motor or transmission.
In the second category: if you want to meet aging men who don't really know much about cars at the gas station, this is your car. "Real" Porsche aficionados look down their nose at it. Everyone else thinks you're a pretentious douche for driving it, even though it costs less than an F-150. Plus don't you already own a 911?
I loved that car, but for me the reality didn't meet the expectations. In a month I meet more strangers who want to talk about my ND Miata than I did in a year in the Cayman. A high proportion of them are good looking women or genuine car nuts, or both. With the price of used Porsches reaching ludicrous levels, I would fix it and flip it in a hearbeat.
This is interesting. I wonder if my Porsche lust is based on the fact that I'm told its the ultimate car (I haven't gotten my hands on one). I've always enjoyed driving "normal" cars that were modified to my own specs. What are you driving now?
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