Driven5
Driven5 PowerDork
3/24/24 12:44 p.m.

I'm currently in the process of buying my first driver suit to go endurance racing, and have found surprisingly little discussion out there about the ankle cuff design option. First is the traditional style, with just the little elastic cuff like the wrists have. Second is the 'boot cut' which adds a length of material beyond the elastic cuff that looks more like a traditional pant leg from the outside.

Of the few discussions about this that I've found, the vast majority of responses can be boiled down to one main claim. The suits both passed the same laboratory conditions certification testing, and therefore are equally safe. Therefore it's purely an aesthetic issue, and quipping that boot cut is for the NASCAR crowd.

There is also an argument against boot cut that appears to be fear of the (not loose enough to be floppy) boot portion getting caught on things and making it more difficult to get in/out of the car and of it getting in the way while driving... Although I don't recall seeing anybody who actually used a boot cut suit, even in formula cars with tight foot wells, who claim this being a problem for them.

The one argument in favor of boot cut that I've only come across once or twice is that the boot cut provides an extra layer of protection where the two pieces of safety equipment (suit and shoes) come together, especially since I've also seen some people mention their ankle cuff tending to work its way up over the course of a race.  

There are a couple of things that jump to mind though that I haven't really found discussion on. First is that the suit testing does not appear to be performed in conjunction with other safety gear, to evaluate how the system works together at the joints between the items and not in (even simulated) real world conditions. So the system level protection is not necessarily equal. 

The other is that the ankle cuff is effectively the same joint as the wrist cuff, except the driver having less ability to adjust it back into place during the race, and yet racing gloves do not stop at just barely overlapping only the elastic cuff. They are gauntlet style, extending beyond what would otherwise be the primary junction itself between the two pieces of gear.

As far as I can figure, the boot cut is basically doing for your ankles as the gauntlets are doing for your wrists. I don't think anybody believes that the gauntlets are really just an aesthetic decision, so why is that the discussion about the boot cut? Is it just that perhaps decades of experience has shown the foot well to be the last place typically innundated by fire, and by time it gets there the rest of the suit has already started exceeding it's protection limit anyways?

L5wolvesf
L5wolvesf Dork
3/24/24 1:45 p.m.

"the boot cut provides an extra layer of protection where the two pieces of safety equipment (suit and shoes) come together" 

The driver would/should/could be wearing fire resistant sox.

Hoppps
Hoppps Reader
3/24/24 2:18 p.m.

Not scientific, but my thought is if there were a fire at my feet, boot cut has the chance of the fire going up my pants, and the cuff has that area closed off.

In either case, I think fireproof socks should be worn. 

ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter)
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) Dork
3/24/24 2:38 p.m.
Hoppps said:

Not scientific, but my thought is if there were a fire at my feet, boot cut has the chance of the fire going up my pants, and the cuff has that area closed off.

In either case, I think fireproof socks should be worn. 

The boot cut suits have a cuff inside, same as the cuff on suits that don't have the extra layer. Mine is boot cut and I bought it because it was the suit that fit me best.  I do like having the extra layer covering the tops of my shoes though.  There is a 0% chance of it getting caught on anything or causing any problems. 

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
3/24/24 3:29 p.m.

I have had both.  I like the cuff style, because I could tuck them into my shoes when I laced them. 

Best would be long enough to tuck the cuffs, plus have the boot cut over top.

 

Hoppps
Hoppps Reader
3/24/24 3:51 p.m.

In reply to ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) :

Oh that's super interesting. Glad I'm wrong because saying my thought out loud seems pretty dumb lol.

DeadSkunk  (Warren)
DeadSkunk (Warren) MegaDork
3/24/24 5:08 p.m.

I always wore the cuff style and my suits were long enough to pull them over the tops of my boots. I knew one guy, who was all legs, and he had stirrups sewn inside his cuffs. They went inside the boots and his suit legs wouldn't ride up.

Driven5
Driven5 PowerDork
3/24/24 5:42 p.m.

In reply to L5wolvesf :

The driver would/should/could wear fire resistant underwear too, but that doesn't stop people from promoting 1-piece suits as better fire protection at the mid section than 2-piece suits.

If there were fire resistant under-gloves, would the gauntlet style racing gloves not still be considered to provide better fire protection for your wrists than if you could get 'mechanic' style racing gloves?

The point is that I have yet to see a logical explanation for how the boot cut is purely aesthetic, which it almost universally seems to get dismissed as, and not also a functional improvement in fire protection at what would appear to be one of the weak points in the system.

Rons
Rons Dork
3/24/24 8:10 p.m.

Another argument for long underwear is nomex underwear washable suit dry clean. One can have multiple sets of underwear and take off sweaty underwear and replace with dry/aired out. Just my two cents.

ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter)
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) Dork
3/24/24 10:36 p.m.

Serious question- am I the only one who machine washes his suit?  I have a front loading washer and I've been doing it on the gentle cycle with Woolite for a few years, so far I can't see any detrimental effect on the suit. After a race weekend in July here in the Southeast, my suit is pretty gnarly. I would feel bad taking it to the dry cleaner. 

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
3/24/24 11:22 p.m.

In reply to ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) :

The directions on my suit say Woolite is acceptable. It's how I've been washing mine.

gixxeropa
gixxeropa HalfDork
3/25/24 12:49 a.m.

got some "performance" detergent that is made for sports gear and specifically calls out race suits. Smells nice and so far no ill effects

codrus (Forum Supporter)
codrus (Forum Supporter) PowerDork
3/25/24 2:06 a.m.
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) said:

Serious question- am I the only one who machine washes his suit?  I have a front loading washer and I've been doing it on the gentle cycle with Woolite for a few years, so far I can't see any detrimental effect on the suit. After a race weekend in July here in the Southeast, my suit is pretty gnarly. I would feel bad taking it to the dry cleaner. 

Mine gets machine washed too.  The first sparco suit I bought actually came with a washing bag.

Turn it inside out, fold it and put inside the bag, gentle wash cycle, with "molecule" detergent, and air dry.

 

Rons
Rons Dork
3/25/24 11:45 a.m.

Machine washing? That just shows how old I am and how long ago I used a suit. The fresh underwear for enduros and flaming hot days stands.

Toyman!
Toyman! MegaDork
3/25/24 12:20 p.m.

I bought the boot cut. The elastic ankle cuff would ride up my leg and stay there. Reaching down to pull them down was almost impossible once you were in the seat.

The boot cut would fall back to where they belonged with just a shake of the leg. 

 

Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter)
Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
3/25/24 2:10 p.m.
Hoppps said:

Not scientific, but my thought is if there were a fire at my feet, boot cut has the chance of the fire going up my pants, and the cuff has that area closed off.

Pseudo-professional opinion, most of the fabrics used for fire suits shrink more than a little and will close off that gap nicely. It happens pretty quick. You may be able to find videos of NC State TPACC Pyroman testing. These suits rarely get tested in this manner and some pretty interesting things happen to the heavily embrodered suits in a system level test. cool

racerfink
racerfink UberDork
3/25/24 5:57 p.m.

I bought a new Sparco once on sale.  When it arrived, it was a boot cut.  I used it a few times, and went out and bought a new lightweight Sparco with the regular cuffs.  The boot cut is at the bottom of the pile of all my suits now.

I race endurance racing.  Crawling in and out of cars during the pit stops was annoying in the boot cut.  If there was anything that could potentially catch them, it would.  Usually pedals or window net hardware.

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