Vigo
Vigo PowerDork
5/24/14 7:43 p.m.

I control sub-contracted repair work at the auction i work at. I usually have about 30 cars subbed out to various dealerships and specialty shops in town at any given time. The auction is huge and i dont have direct access to every car that comes through or even a good way to find out what is out there, but when an interesting car comes through for me to sub out i sometimes take it for a lap around one of our massive parking lots and down the ~400 ft 'test track' before parking it in a good spot for my tow driver. So far my most interesting drives have been a Cayman S and an SRT10 Ram, but this week i got to drive a C-Max and a '12 Camry Hybrid.

THOUGHTS: I've been subbing out a lot of ecoboost Escapes for recall work and i got to drive the 1.6 Escape and C-max back to back. I already knew they were extremely closely related (same platform, dash, steering wheel, seats, door handles, etc), but for the first time i had the thought "I wonder why they didn't just keep making the Escape Hybrid instead of repaneling an Escape and creating a new model with no name recognition?" The only thing i can come up with is better aero and a minor weight loss in the C-max. I also thought a C-Max would be pretty cool with a 1.6 ecoboost. I prefer the styling and ride height vs the Escape, but im not a reflection of a mainstream buyer. I do think the c-max drivetrain would be acceptable in a heavier Transit Connect but i doubt buyers would accept the mpg result given the asinine complaints about c-max mpg.

Anyway, as far as driving the C-max, i had heard that it was basically a Ford Prius with the torque and dynamics turned up. That rang true, but not to the extent i expected. It does have more torque then my Prius. However, past the initial launch and rapid throttle tip-in, it doesnt feel as much faster than my Prius as i had expected. I would not call it quick, just normal with occasional short bursts of impressive electric torque followed by mediocre acceleration. I cant do real cornering in the auction lots without getting the wrong kind of attention and i usually cant WOT past 50mph on the short test track so that's all i got. I had a generally good impression of the car.

Camry Hybrid: First off, unlike most people here on GRM, i consider myself a fan of the current Camry design. I think it's a decently cool looking car with a decent interior. I really like the periwinkle-ish color they put on some of them (seriously!). It is common for hybrids to have a strong tip-in rush of torque from the electric motors. Usually, the electric torque transitions smoothly..enough.. to engine torque as the ICE spins up. However, on the Camry Hybrid i noticed that the initial torque rush was followed by a seemingly lower amount of power when the ICE spun up. It seemed like power tapered off even at the same throttle position as it transitioned from mostly-electric to mostly-ICE power. I was curious about the Camry Hybrid because on paper it looks fairly quick: mid 15 1/4 mile at 88-89mph. In person, though, it felt MUCH slower than the last car i had that ran around those numbers. Overall, though, it still seemed like a nice car, and i'd like to put my mother in one if the right deal came up. Everything else about the car besides power delivery was old news, ive driven them before.

Overall, my impressions of both vehicles were good, but they were both slightly different then i had expected from reading about them online. That is beauty of driving real cars in real life, i guess!

Lesley
Lesley PowerDork
5/24/14 8:00 p.m.

I'm driving a C-Max this week, and while I appreciate the mileage, I can't get over how soft the suspension is. Sure wouldn't want to try flogging it on an off-ramp, I'd probably tumble head-over-heels and keep rolling.

Vigo
Vigo PowerDork
5/24/14 10:09 p.m.

You probably wouldnt like most of the 40+ mpg hybrids, im guessing. The sportiest one is probably the CT200h F-Sport which i havent driven but would really like to try. The midsize sedans might seem less tipsy than a C-Max but all of them are going to feel the same once they start understeering.

I know for a fact the CR-Z can turn, but its kind of in an entirely different genre than the pure people-movers.

Lesley
Lesley PowerDork
5/25/14 10:03 a.m.

Yah, I've driven the CR-Z, it's an odd little vehicle but I kind of liked it. Same with the Lexus - I could live with that on a daily basis. Drove a plug-in Panamera last week, now that was a no-compromise hybrid!

Cotton
Cotton UltraDork
5/25/14 3:13 p.m.

Did the Camry feel grounded to the ground?

Vigo
Vigo PowerDork
5/25/14 10:03 p.m.
Drove a plug-in Panamera last week, now that was a no-compromise hybrid!

The super-lux hybrids are finally starting to have 'actually good' economy under certain circumstances. It seemed like when hybrid drivetrains first showed up on status symbols, they were more for cachet than actual efficiency. I think over time even those customers' expectations have matured to the point where high-end hybrids really have to do it all instead of just sucking marginally less at mpg. I think it's good for everybody.

Aspen
Aspen Reader
5/29/14 1:39 p.m.

I just returned from a 900 mile round trip with my CT200h F Sport. It was all good. It has enough power to pass transports on 2-lane roads and can keep up with traffic at 120kph no problem. You have to think about passing first or just wait until a good lane opens up. It seems to promote relaxed driving. On the way out I got 44mpg (US). On the last leg of the trip with my nephew driving at about 50-60 mph we got 52 mpg(US) which I think is pretty sweet especially with regular gas.

Around town the car is a hoot. It handles well with a nice driving position and firm squeak-free ride. The initial tip in is good especially in "Sport" mode. There is enough power to spin the tires at launch, which is therefore all the power that can be used for the first little bit. It falls flat at about 35-40 mph, but in the city that is about all you can do legally in most places.

These things are starting to come up used for about 1/2 price of new now. Worth a test IMHO.

racerdave600
racerdave600 Dork
5/29/14 3:09 p.m.

My dad looked at a Camry hybrid last year. He ended up buying a new 3 series with the 4cyl turbo. It gets close to the Camry in MPG, and was only $3 or $4K more. If you buy the "Camry" of BMWs, they will definitely deal with you on price. The Camry actually did drive OK, and I was impressed as it was nice inside. The price at the time was pretty steep however at 36k.

You'll need to log in to post.

Our Preferred Partners
v6ewy1OTMIKJkUb3TuEj8WSvLAQAGw8p8YwHOBXmyCLqpiu9SZswKF3jGdTCDgXg