Drove the new Mustang today.

mazdeuce wrote: In the previous cars the regular cars got an LSD (clutch type?) And the track pack cars got a Torsen. Is it the same on this generation?

As far as I've read, this is correct.

Seeing reviews of the car pop up now and all of them tend describe it as a more composed and better handling version of the previous car. Seems legit.

Comparison of the ecoboost to the GT:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/performance-numbers-2015-ford-mustang-gt-versus-2015-ford-mustang-ecoboost/#comments

Note that the ecoboost had an automatic and the GT a manual.

I like that when comparing this car to the old one everyone proclaims this to be much better. Considering that most everyone thought the old one was pretty great before this that's saying something.

Harvey, the old car was great, but in a rough as a cob sort of way. As for those who asked about conflict of interest, in showing the photos... we have pics in our news section of the site.

And I hadn't seen pricing, but assumed it was going to take low forties to pick up a GT. It is quite a car for $36,000 and the EcoBoost for mid to high 20s is a really cool deal.

The new EcoBoost might just be the reason that BMW wakes up and sends us an updated 1982 320is.

With a LSD, oil cooler, cloth Recaros and no sun roof with room to drive with a helmet.

Please.

bravenrace wrote: Note that the ecoboost had an automatic and the GT a manual.

I'm glad you pointed that out because I was going to have some questions about the top gear 30-50 mph and the 50-70 mph test results.

5.2 seconds for a 0-60mph for the ecoboost....That's my jam right there.

jr02518 wrote: The new EcoBoost might just be the reason that BMW wakes up and sends us an updated 1982 320is. With a LSD, oil cooler, cloth Recaros and no sun roof with room to drive with a helmet. Please.

M235i isn't a bad buy. I don't think we're going to get a cloth interior BMW ever again.

Tim Suddard wrote: Harvey, the old car was great, but in a rough as a cob sort of way. As for those who asked about conflict of interest, in showing the photos... we have pics in our news section of the site. And I hadn't seen pricing, but assumed it was going to take low forties to pick up a GT. It is quite a car for $36,000 and the EcoBoost for mid to high 20s is a really cool deal.

Yes, there was always the caveat that they managed to do well with the solid rear axle and that it was the best handling and performing solid rear axle car out there, which is great, but it's still a solid rear axle.

That said, there were head to head comparisons between the GT Track Pack and the BMW M3 that popped up all over the place where the GT was favorably viewed, especially for the price, compared to the M3.

That's always been the Mustang appeal, that you can get into it for a reasonable price. If the GT suddenly blew up into a $40k purchase at the bottom end they would have lost a lot of good will from their regular buyers.

I'll be interested to see how the GT Track Pack stacks up against the BMW M3 now.

Someone may shoot me for saying this, but the high end Fords are starting to feel very "BMW" in terms of materials, especially the interiors. My son's eco boost F-150 is loaded with every option available, and if you opened the door and sat down without knowing what you were sitting in, its very much like my Dad's 3 series. Even the infotainment center is extremely close. Close enough that you wonder if they are built by the same supplier.

Now my old S197 wasn't the best driving car ever. The previous owner had gone through the Shelby catalog and ordered all the parts and built his own, without having to pay the Shelby tax. Unfortunately there were some issues with build quality from my perspective. It looked great, but items like the rear axle and intake needed sorting. My biggest issue however was the steering feel was non-existent. It cornered flat and had nice grip, but it felt more at home with a '60's car than it's 2008 model year would have you believe. As a former Boss 302 owner, I had hoped for more, but then again it could have been limited to my example.

I have high hopes for the new car however. It looks awesome and Tim is usually spot on in his assessments. As for cost, when I was shopping new cars last year, there were many GTs north of $40k, and none that I saw south of the $36k mark, at least locally.

I had to special order my '13 GT. It was a base, no options but the Track Pack.

According to Ford.com retail pricing:

Base Mustang GT 6 speed manual $32,100
Destination charges $ 825
Performance pack $ 2,495
Recaro's $ 1,595

Total $37,015

Doesn't seem bad. Same build with the Ecoboost
Base car $25,995
Destination $ 895
Performance pack $ 1,995 (4 pot calipers but not Brembo I don't think and no Torsen)
Recaro's $ 1,595

Total $27,990

Adrian_Thompson wrote: According to Ford.com retail pricing: Base Mustang GT 6 speed manual $32,100 Destination charges $ 825 Performance pack $ 2,495 Recaro's $ 1,595 Total $37,015 Doesn't seem bad. Same build with the Ecoboost Base car $25,995 Destination $ 895 Performance pack $ 1,995 (4 pot calipers but not Brembo I don't think and no Torsen) Recaro's $ 1,595 Total $27,990

It is going to be very, very hard to ignore the Ecoboost when the time comes for another car in a few years

I know they're a different engine to what's coming in the Mustang, but the eco boosts F-150 and Explorer my kids have are very impressive. It should be a fun car.

I've been looking at the ecoboost as well. The numbers are really good. My out the door price on that is very attractive. Wait a year for the initial bugs to work out and I may be rocking one.

Rumor has it this is Ford Performance Parts testing some stuff on the Ecoboost

In reply to Storz:

I saw that too. I'm wondering what the potential will be for the ecoboost. I also haven't seen a picture of one installed in the new Mustang. Anyone else?

Storz wrote:

Adrian_Thompson wrote: According to Ford.com retail pricing: Base Mustang GT 6 speed manual $32,100 Destination charges $ 825 Performance pack $ 2,495 Recaro's $ 1,595 Total $37,015 Doesn't seem bad. Same build with the Ecoboost Base car $25,995 Destination $ 895 Performance pack $ 1,995 (4 pot calipers but not Brembo I don't think and no Torsen) Recaro's $ 1,595 Total $27,990

It is going to be very, very hard to ignore the Ecoboost when the time comes for another car in a few years

I did the same exact price breakdown and came to the same conclusion you did.

jstein77 wrote:

Storz wrote:

Adrian_Thompson wrote: According to Ford.com retail pricing: Base Mustang GT 6 speed manual $32,100 Destination charges $ 825 Performance pack $ 2,495 Recaro's $ 1,595 Total $37,015 Doesn't seem bad. Same build with the Ecoboost Base car $25,995 Destination $ 895 Performance pack $ 1,995 (4 pot calipers but not Brembo I don't think and no Torsen) Recaro's $ 1,595 Total $27,990

It is going to be very, very hard to ignore the Ecoboost when the time comes for another car in a few years

I did the same exact price breakdown and came to the same conclusion you did.

+1

I am super excited to see what the aftermarket does with the ecoboost. I bet there will be big gains in software alone, let alone bigger turbo, intercooler, etc.

bravenrace wrote: In reply to Storz: I saw that too. I'm wondering what the potential will be for the ecoboost. I also haven't seen a picture of one installed in the new Mustang. Anyone else?

In reply to Storz:

Thanks. But where's the engine?

bravenrace wrote: In reply to Storz: Thanks. But where's the engine?

So this is disappointing...

Road & Track @RoadandTrack Follow @jasoncammisa pulls fuse 27 on 4cyl #2015mustang EcoBoost. Both stereo & engine go quiet. #FakeEngineNoise #busted! 1:54 PM - 17 Sep 2014

not surprised. Who the hell wants to listen to a 4 cylinder anyway?