This just showed up in my Facebook news feed.
So when do we expect early ones to start going up in price? I'd still love to own one, even if it's just for a few months.
This just showed up in my Facebook news feed.
So when do we expect early ones to start going up in price? I'd still love to own one, even if it's just for a few months.
They have gone away a few times. Bet you a dollar a convertible/Targa shows up soon to avoid the airbag issue that is causing this.
I would really like to get my hands on the GTS-R colored final edition ACR-E
In reply to wearymicrobe:
Airbag issue?
Javelin wrote: In reply to wearymicrobe: Airbag issue?
The government is requiring side curtain air bags. There isn't enough room to add them.
Sergio Marchionne spoke out on this a few months back and said that they couldn't throw a car together properly to meet the new air bag requirements. He then went on to say that the Viper is a key part of Dodge's identity and such a unique vehicle that they fully intend to come back with it in a few years. I say 2019, look for the new Viper, maybe a little earlier.
Andy Neuman wrote:Javelin wrote: In reply to wearymicrobe: Airbag issue?The government is requiring side curtain air bags. There isn't enough room to add them.
Ah. That is a crappy reason to have to stop the production. Hopefully they will be back.
Sounds similar to the Elise story...wasn't that an airbag or bumper height issue or something too?
gearheadE30 wrote: Sounds similar to the Elise story...wasn't that an airbag or bumper height issue or something too?
Yep same with the 4C coupe not going to be available next year.
The Elise never met some of the regulations right from the start. It got a temporary pass, but when that ran out so did the Elises.
The Evora had to pull that trick last year. They stopped at the 14MY because it wouldn't meet the 15MY smart airbags but now it's back as a 16MY with the changes made.
If I climb in a 600 hp Viper I am assuming a risk. I don't expect it to inflate like a weather balloon around me and keep me safe no matter what I do behind the wheel. I'm not usually "Nanny state" this and that but look at the thing. It's obvious that it's not going to have the same level of safety as a V70 right? The Viper is fun because it IS dangerous.
crankwalk wrote: If I climb in a 600 hp Viper I am assuming a risk. I don't expect it to inflate like a weather balloon around me and keep me safe no matter what I do behind the wheel. I'm not usually "Nanny state" this and that but look at the thing. It's obvious that it's not going to have the same level of safety as V70 right? The Viper is fun because it IS dangerous.
That is an argument to just outlaw the Viper.
(playing gov't devils advocate)
crankwalk wrote: If I climb in a 600 hp Viper I am assuming a risk. I don't expect it to inflate like a weather balloon around me and keep me safe no matter what I do behind the wheel. I'm not usually "Nanny state" this and that but look at the thing. It's obvious that it's not going to have the same level of safety as V10 right? The Viper is fun because it IS dangerous.
New ones have traction control, anti-lock brakes, adaptive suspension and track and street setups. They are far from the killers of old.
Even as a Viper owner I like the idea of the side-impact bags and I feel like its a cop out right now to stop selling the car. They sold like 400 in the last 18 months, minus the ACR-E orders going through now. Its clearly not a money maker. Put the airbags in it and put a PDK transmission and go out and drop another 1-1.5 seconds off a LS lap with it and they would sell as many as Chevy does Z06's.
Kind of pissed they picked my color for the final edition, there were only like 5-7 snakeskin green ACR's in the states with the small stripes. Mine gets more attention then a new ACR-E in the standard colors. Should have made them Strykers with the 18 speaker setup and the good interior with all the ACR-E aero.
wearymicrobe wrote:crankwalk wrote: If I climb in a 600 hp Viper I am assuming a risk. I don't expect it to inflate like a weather balloon around me and keep me safe no matter what I do behind the wheel. I'm not usually "Nanny state" this and that but look at the thing. It's obvious that it's not going to have the same level of safety as V10 right? The Viper is fun because it IS dangerous.New ones have traction control, anti-lock brakes, adaptive suspension and track and street setups. They are far from the killers of old. Even as a Viper owner I like the idea of the side-impact bags and I feel like its a cop out right now to stop selling the car. They sold like 400 in the last 18 months, minus the ACR-E orders going through now. Its clearly not a money maker. Put the airbags in it and put a PDK transmission and go out and drop another 1-1.5 seconds off a LS lap with it and they would sell as many as Chevy does Z06's. Kind of pissed they picked my color for the final edition, there were only like 5-7 snakeskin green ACR's in the states with the small stripes. Mine gets more attention then a new ACR-E in the standard colors. Should have made them Strykers with the 18 speaker setup and the good interior with all the ACR-E aero.
Weird, your quote of mine isnt what I wrote. Did you type out word for word my post and change something? I said its not as safe as a V70 not mentioning a V10.
crankwalk wrote:wearymicrobe wrote:Weird, your quote of mine isnt what I wrote. Did you type out word for word my post and change something? I said its not as safe as a V70 not mentioning a V10.crankwalk wrote: If I climb in a 600 hp Viper I am assuming a risk. I don't expect it to inflate like a weather balloon around me and keep me safe no matter what I do behind the wheel. I'm not usually "Nanny state" this and that but look at the thing. It's obvious that it's not going to have the same level of safety as V10 right? The Viper is fun because it IS dangerous.New ones have traction control, anti-lock brakes, adaptive suspension and track and street setups. They are far from the killers of old. Even as a Viper owner I like the idea of the side-impact bags and I feel like its a cop out right now to stop selling the car. They sold like 400 in the last 18 months, minus the ACR-E orders going through now. Its clearly not a money maker. Put the airbags in it and put a PDK transmission and go out and drop another 1-1.5 seconds off a LS lap with it and they would sell as many as Chevy does Z06's. Kind of pissed they picked my color for the final edition, there were only like 5-7 snakeskin green ACR's in the states with the small stripes. Mine gets more attention then a new ACR-E in the standard colors. Should have made them Strykers with the 18 speaker setup and the good interior with all the ACR-E aero.
Might be my auto-correct. I know it fixes V10.
lol
They should sell them as an incomplete kit car that needs assembly, then they could ditch all the airbags if they wanted.
novaderrik wrote: They should sell them as an incomplete kit car that needs assembly, then they could ditch all the airbags if they wanted.
And they'd sell even fewer of them than they already do
wearymicrobe wrote: Put the airbags in it and put a PDK transmission and go out and drop another 1-1.5 seconds off a LS lap with it and they would sell as many as Chevy does Z06's.
Ralph Gilles has said that the Viper will never have anything than an honest-to-god 3-pedal manual transmission. He says that is what the makes the Viper the one of the last true driver's cars.
Ralph Gilles for president
NickD wrote:wearymicrobe wrote: Put the airbags in it and put a PDK transmission and go out and drop another 1-1.5 seconds off a LS lap with it and they would sell as many as Chevy does Z06's.Ralph Gilles has said that the Viper will never have anything than an honest-to-god 3-pedal manual transmission. He says that is what the makes the Viper the one of the last true driver's cars.
Ralph Gilles may not be long for this world at Dodge/Fiat. Part of me thinks that Ferrari may have had a hand in the lack of PDK in the Viper to keep it from stepping on more expensive toes. Also Even VW has yet to build a dual clutch that will hold up to the toque of a viper. They are still running a single clutch in the Aventador due to the high torque issues.
wearymicrobe wrote:NickD wrote:Ralph Gilles may not be long for this world at Dodge/Fiat. Part of me thinks that Ferrari may have had a hand in the lack of PDK in the Viper to keep it from stepping on more expensive toes. Also Even VW has yet to build a dual clutch that will hold up to the toque of a viper. They are still running a single clutch in the Aventador due to the high torque issues.wearymicrobe wrote: Put the airbags in it and put a PDK transmission and go out and drop another 1-1.5 seconds off a LS lap with it and they would sell as many as Chevy does Z06's.Ralph Gilles has said that the Viper will never have anything than an honest-to-god 3-pedal manual transmission. He says that is what the makes the Viper the one of the last true driver's cars.
A quick google search, and I mean quick, shows that the new 911 Turbo S has slightly more torque than an Aventador? And doesn't it come standard with a PDK?
The Viper will most likely return as a platform mate to either a Maserati or an Alfa Romeo.
You need to recall that Chrysler is still a tiny company (relative to GM/FORD/VW/etc) that repeatedly punches above it's weight. Regardless, even a big money company can't just slap on side airbags. They probably tested several prototype designs in CAE and real model crashes. Engineers are good at determining if they say "nope can't do that" or if they get to say "Yup just need x to get those airbags in."
Chrysler was about to do a platform mate but didn't have capital for the hybrid part.
I'll start saving now so I can get the current ACR in 15 years.
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