Engine VS. 2GR vs J35

Toyota vs Honda

Which is better and why?

Toyota 2GR vs the Honda J35

HP, weight, mods, reliability, availability what say you GRM?

Is the 2GR the one that blew up several times in the GRM camry?

What is your budget???

Loyning's built destroked 2GR (from 4.0 to 3.5) well over 400hp, redline mid 8000's

In reply to pimpm3:

I believe that is the 1mz.

The 2gr uses a timing chain don't know if that is an advantage to you. I read somewhere that some of them have what sounds like piston slap. some of them also have water pump issues according to a Toyota service advisor I spoke with. They seem to be easy to get power out of ifbyou believe the mr2 guys. I also believe all of them had drive by wire--something to be aware of. Also they were put in the Elise and Evora by Lotus.

I know nothing of the j35 except to say they sound nice and may be belt driven.

I think reliability should be about even.

I hear the 2GR ecu is locked down tight. How about the J35, that seems to be where a large amount of money is spent.

oldeskewltoy wrote: What is your budget??? Loyning's built destroked 2GR (from 4.0 to 3.5) well over 400hp, redline mid 8000's

Uh oh, looks like a pulley in the front is scrambling all the pixels. That's gotta be bad for reliability.

A Honda J series won the Rolex 24 this year.

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oldeskewltoy wrote: Loyning's built destroked 2GR (from 4.0 to 3.5) well over 400hp, redline mid 8000's

The 2GR is already a 3.5 liter. Unless it's an engine from an FJ Cruiser or Tacoma, in which case it's a 1GR.

HR35TT, I am assuming you mean it is J35 based.

I've seen 1000+hp J35s. I don't even know what a 2GR is. So, that's my take.

Flight Service wrote: HR35TT, I am assuming you mean it is J35 based.

Basically the same block. That comes from my friend who worked at Honda r&d and has parts in the j35.

Why no VQ35?

In reply to Run_Away:

Size, vibration and packaging and weight.

VQ35/37 is like the 5.0l Lambo Contact engine. It was never meant to be that big and it shows. Huge power but timing chain issue alone puts it out of this comparison

J35, simply for being able to get a piggyback ecu from hondata for cheap.

In reply to Trackmouse:

I am finding that the engines these days aren't that expensive to get $500 ~ $1000 gets you most.

But the standalon-able ecu set up is ridiculous.

In reply to Flight Service:

That is likely a good enough reason. There isn't enough demand vs supply on the honda so prices are cheap. Oddessys nuke transmissions easy enough while the engine is just fine. What is the vehicle in question? That is another worthy question.

The J35 should be readily available (they put it in just about every Honda/Acura) and as it is in the Honda family there should be quite a bit of documentation of builds around the interwebs.

Also, they sound so sweet (coming from a former CL Type-S and current TL owner).

J32/35 and 2GRFE are both cheap and effective. I don't know for sure what a 2GR weighs (wiki lists a pretty wide range,) but the Honda is ~230lbs. Nearly 100lb less than the GR, depending on the trim.

Transmissions that bolt to the Honda box are rarer and more expensive than the Toyota, which can mate with MR2 S52 (probably not a good idea) MR2 E153 (Turbo box) and Solara/Camry (flipped linkage) E351. The only stock LSD option is the 93-95 MR2 Turbo box, which was available with a vLSD.

For the Honda, you're limited to the Honda accord V6 2004-2006 6spd. Or the 6spd from the 03 CL-S or 04-06 TLS (helical LSD.) These gearboxes are going to run you $800-1200, if you can find one. Edit: There was a change in the block in the 07 model year and the 07+ transmissions aren't backward compatible.

So it comes down to what car you want to put it in. If you're building a mongrel, it doesn't matter. Both engines are made in the good ole US of A.

CobraSpdRH wrote: ....and as it is in the Honda family there should be quite a bit of documentation of builds around the interwebs.

I like the part where you reference "documentation" and Honda swaps in the same sentence.

In reply to singleslammer:

You know that is an excellent question....let's just say German with a history of going pop.

If there was a reliable, consistant way to get 350 hp cheaply out of a J35 or 2gr it would be perfect.

The 2GR is in the Lotus why not do a mongrel with a JR35 and one of the best chassis to ever hit the road...

German car should have a German engine. 3.6 VR6

I think it depends on how much $$$$$$ the difference between 280hp and 350hp is worth to you. Because at 350hp, "neither" is probably the right answer. Hello, LSx, especially if you don't need a transverse platform.

The LS is available in a transverse platform, LS4 and however the fiero guys are doing it.

But Id go with the J series, Ive heard about all kinds of people modding them, plus they are gaining traction with miata swaps, which will be good for their aftermarket, if it becomes a popular swap, plus its a honda. Im not a big Honda fan, but I do like their motors and respect the huge following they have.

About the only major modding ive ever heard of for the 2GR is from those Australian guys (or swedish, whatever I cant remember).

Also in that pic it looks like they are using a block of wood to test runner length or something.

J35 simplifies header design, since they're cast into the head.

I think to get close to 350 hp (at the crank not the wheels, and lets be honest 335 would fine any day of the week) is getting the engine to breath an extra 1000 ~ 1500 RPM.

and if I was going to do a German for German swap I wouldn't do the VR6, I would do the 2010 Audi 3.0 TFSI with a RevTech tune....

The problem with the LS in a German car is two fold. 1 sound. They sound like a damn camaro with just a different setting on the volume knob. 2 torque. Torque is great, I love torque, torque also breaks E36 M3 quick. I would rather have a reliable 350 hp 300 ft lbs and not have to worry about getting agressive than have 400 hp 385 ft lbs and start breaking expensive things quickly.

The key to this would reliability, (hence no Audi) and no iffy spec match ups.