In reply to Recon1342 :
A classic ad, that one !!!
In reply to Recon1342 :
A classic ad, that one !!!
In reply to einy :
Unfortunately, the company responsible for that ad is dead and gone...
Interpol issued a red notice to Lebanon for our friend.
einy said:In reply to Recon1342 :
A classic ad, that one !!!
Oh man, that ad brought back memories. I was a frosh in college when it aired. Holy carp. Great ad, too. Nissan needs more ads like that, selling more cars like those.
alfadriver said:If I stole money from my company, I'm sure I'd hardly get a slap on the wrist and let on with my life, and there's no way I can take millions.
Innocent until proven guilty, right? There seems to be enough ambiguity here that it's not clear cut.
pointofdeparture said:I guess the big question I have is, will this grand escape help or hurt Ghosn's cause in the court of public opinion? As oppressive as the Japanese criminal justice system may or may not be, Ghosn is now a bona-fide fugitive. Suddenly a lot of the harsh restrictions he was facing seem justifiable.
He better have something amazing cooked up for his press conference next Wednesday, that's for sure!
Also, as more details come out, the finer points of his escape just blow me away:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30364009/carlos-ghosn-nissan-leaves-japan-before-trial/
Gulf News, citing reports on Lebanese TV, said a "paramilitary" group came to Ghosn's house "in the guise of a band for Christmas dinner," and they hid Ghosn inside one of their equipment boxes when they left the home at the end of the evening.
They should have been suspicious when he hired Mr T and the A Team Holiday Orchestra.
codrus said:alfadriver said:If I stole money from my company, I'm sure I'd hardly get a slap on the wrist and let on with my life, and there's no way I can take millions.
Innocent until proven guilty, right? There seems to be enough ambiguity here that it's not clear cut.
We were in the process of finding that out, until he gave up millions of dollars to run away. Let the process finish.
But one just can't assume that a simple slap on the wrist makes everyone whole again- this isn't a victimless crime, as there can be many people harmed by this potential stealing of money and bad policy- that's my point. I'm not saying that he's guilty- but I AM saying that it should not be a simple process to let him get on with his life if he did something- which is what is going to happen now.
In terms of your particular quote from my post- none of us have the means to run away from an accusation like that. So it's not as if the playing field was level. If he's not guilty, that's one thing, If he is, then he got away with it because he is rich and powerful- which sucks a lot for the victims.
well that's like a james bond novel in real life..
Almost makes you wonder if someone gave him a few nudges and winks.
In reply to BoxheadTim :
Doesn't seem like they kept too close an eye on him, hmm?
alfadriver said:frenchyd said:The smart move on Ghosn's part would be to have a trial in friendly Lebanon. Be found guilty of some petty infraction, pay a modest fine, and get on with his life.
Then too bad for the people who were harmed by his law breaking, eh? No bid deal?
While I understand that there are people out there who really suspect the government and their prosecution, lets go to the other side- if he did commit these crimes, and it does result in Nissan tanking, what about all of the workers who lose their jobs and benefits because of someone breaking the law? Seems like just letting him get on with his life is a pretty lame thing to do considering the impact on others. He's being accused of embezzling money from Nissan in the millions. That's theft from a company that is struggling to make money. And one should note- he's not only under the gun from Japanese Authorities, he's ALSO under charges from Nissan directly.
If I stole money from my company, I'm sure I'd hardly get a slap on the wrist and let on with my life, and there's no way I can take millions.
Well I agree, if you or any average Joe did what he's accused of you would go to jail.Not the country club type jail reserved for successful lawyers and politicians either. The other kind.
The reality is at his level the rules really are different.
Guilty or not he will be made to look guilty in Japan. I'm sorry but they are just as bigoted as Americans maybe even more so.
Ooof, Infiniti sales numbers came out for 2019, and every single model sold worse than 2018.
That is honestly kind of impressive.
In reply to NickD :
I couldn't even tell you where to buy an Infinti. I don't remember passing a dealer since about 2006.
In reply to Wally :
Me neither. I'm guessing that Infiniti vanishes in Nissan's imminent overhauling
NickD said:In reply to Wally :
Me neither. I'm guessing that Infiniti vanishes in Nissan's imminent overhauling
I don't think Infiniti will vanish - they have invested too much at this point in US & Europe - but they definitely have some questionable expenditures.
EDIT: I forgot that they already bailed on Europe meaning they now only exist in the US & China...
For example, Infiniti has inexplicably been title sponsor to the Red Bull (prior) and Renault F1 (current) teams, because Infiniti and Formula 1 racing have something in common (???) Do 90% of Infiniti buyers even know what Formula 1 is? Genuine question...
Makes me wonder if the Renault deal is a freebie for Infiniti to get the brand out there, but then again, F1 car sponsor placements are worth big $$$, and if Infiniti isn't paying someone else surely would...
alfadriver said:if he did commit these crimes, and it does result in Nissan tanking, what about all of the workers who lose their jobs and benefits because of someone breaking the law?
Nissan sells over $100 Billion worth of cars each and every year, with a net profit each and every year measured in Billions. The total he's accused of embezzling over the past decade or so doesn't even begin to move the needle of Nissan's overall financial (let alone sales) picture. Far more people at Nissan lost their jobs due to Carlos Ghosen "Le Cost-Cutter" than ever could due to Carlos Ghosen "Le Embezzler".
In reply to Recon1342 :
Simply one of the best car commercials ever made! How can you go wrong with VH and a Z car in the same ad?
In reply to NickD :
I guess the Q stands for Quitter. I can't even tell you the difference between a Q50 and a QX80. The "Q" move was the biggest dunce move since Ford eliminating the Taurus for the 500 or Lincoln going all MKqwertyuiop alphabet soup. I have no idea what the different Infiniti models are nowadays.
dculberson said:In reply to NickD :
I guess the Q stands for Quitter. I can't even tell you the difference between a Q50 and a QX80. The "Q" move was the biggest dunce move since Ford eliminating the Taurus for the 500 or Lincoln going all MKqwertyuiop alphabet soup. I have no idea what the different Infiniti models are nowadays.
Truth. I don't even know what the modern version of an Integra is, and I like them.
Driven5 said:alfadriver said:if he did commit these crimes, and it does result in Nissan tanking, what about all of the workers who lose their jobs and benefits because of someone breaking the law?
Nissan sells over $100 Billion worth of cars each and every year, with a net profit each and every year measured in Billions. The total he's accused of embezzling over the past decade or so doesn't even begin to move the needle of Nissan's overall financial (let alone sales) picture. Far more people at Nissan lost their jobs due to Carlos Ghosen "Le Cost-Cutter" than ever could due to Carlos Ghosen "Le Embezzler".
100 billion YEN, perhaps...
In reply to Streetwiseguy :
Nissan annual revenue = ~11.5 TRILLION Yen.
Driven5 said:In reply to Streetwiseguy :
Nissan annual revenue = ~11.5 TRILLION Yen.
so about 101 billion USD annually, GM is about 147 billion USD annually.
Subaru/Mazda in comparison is about 30-35Billion USD annually in sales.
dculberson said:In reply to NickD :
I guess the Q stands for Quitter. I can't even tell you the difference between a Q50 and a QX80. The "Q" move was the biggest dunce move since Ford eliminating the Taurus for the 500 or Lincoln going all MKqwertyuiop alphabet soup. I have no idea what the different Infiniti models are nowadays.
The ones that begin with Q are the ones that look like undifferentiated, amorphous blobs.
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