In reply to Knurled. :
Isn't that pretty much all of the recent models?
In reply to Knurled. :
Isn't that pretty much all of the recent models?
In reply to Recon1342 :
84FSP said:Interpol issued a red notice to Lebanon for our friend.
As long as he stays in Lebanon or until they decide to change Lebanese law, he's safe. Lebanon does not permit the extradition of their citizens. Something I wish the US did not permit.
Anyone see Carlos' news conference from Lebanon? God, I hope that this is a framing by Nissan execs. Ghosn's naming names! This would be one of THE MOST public displays of the underbelly of business!
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/01/08/watch-carlos-ghosns-news-conference-live-from-beirut/
In reply to 2GRX7 :
As I said before, Curiouser and curiouser...
I've found that there are often far more than just two sides to the story...
and now japan has put up an arrest warrant for his wife.
On the plus side this is the most excitement that's been connected to Nissan in quite awhile
MotorsportsGordon said:and now japan has put up an arrest warrant for his wife.
For her role in the Murano Cabriolet, she should be put to death.
This one Ghosn to e-Lebanon
Antihero said:On the plus side this is the most excitement that's been connected to Nissan in quite awhile
I mean, you're not wrong...
Recon1342 said:Antihero said:On the plus side this is the most excitement that's been connected to Nissan in quite awhile
I mean, you're not wrong...
I was going to make a joke about some option being made available on whatever, but to be honest, I couldn't think of anything noteworthy enough to make a joke with. Which is telling. Lately, Nissan is bland crap marketed to people whose credit isn't quite bad enough that they'd otherwise have to settle for a Mitsubishi.
I was marveling at how the rear suspension of a G35 is almost identical to that of an Altima even though the Altima is front wheel drive only and the G35 was rear wheel drive at a minimum. And I saw a 10k old Rogue a couple days ago and noted with amusement that Nissan still uses lead-acid batteries with honest-to-"Bob" electrolyte caps, so you can check the electrolyte level and specific gravity. In a 2018 model year car. When everyone else switched to sealed batteries about two decades ago and have largely moved on to AGM or similar.
When I realized it had a battery straight out of a '57 Victoria, I wondered why Nissan didn't just bother to try to make points and SU carburetors OBD-II compliant.
In reply to Knurled. :
I remember talking to my wife about Nissan/Datsuns, z cars to bring exact.
Told her how I wanted a 240 since forever and that they made the 370z but I didn't know what they made to replace it since the 370 came out years ago.
Imagine my surprise when I found out they are still making the 370 after so many years and I never cared enough about Nissan's to know that.....and hadn't ever thought to look if they had replaced it til then.
In reply to Antihero :
It's going to be the first car eligible for vintage racing from the showroom floor.
superfund said:
This one Ghosn to e-Lebanon
I wish I could give this more than one like.
In reply to Wally :
Reminds me of the story from a guy who bought a new Wagonneer in the late 80s.
Skipping to the punchline: "Gee, that looks nice! Did you restore it yourself?"
Apparently Carlos Ghosn is pissed that Renault-Nissan missed out on merging with FCA. Quote from his news conference:
"In 2017, the alliance was the number one automotive group. Three companies growing, profitable. We were preparing to add Fiat Chrysler to the group because I was negotiating with John Elkann for Fiat Chrysler to join.
There is no more alliance.
The alliance missed the unmissable which is Fiat Chrysler. That is unbelievable, they go with PSA. How can you miss that huge opportunity to become the dominant player in the industry?"
So Carlos Ghosn wanted to put the company that still manufactures the Charger (basically the same car from '05), the Challenger (now 10 years old), the Journey (unchanged since '08) and the Fiat 500 (say no more) under the same roof as the company that makes other dinosaurs like the R35 GT-R and the 370Z. It makes a certain kind of sense. Maybe Dodge could have taught them how to keep sales of old cars strong though, since the Challenger now sells twice as many as when new and outsells the brandy new Camaro.
In reply to NickD :
That quote also shows how he probably doesn't fully understand why he was outed in the first place. The old guard within Nissan (and/or Japan's gov) is done with mergers. They don't want to be owned/controlled by outsiders from other countries any longer.
Especially since Renault is partially owned by the French government- and I can't see the (very) conservative Abe government in Japan being too happy with that outside influence on companies that big at home.
Also not to make another reply- but I think Ghosn suffers from the same faulty thought process tons of past businessmen have had here in the states, that corporate mergers with international companies can go swimmingly and always benefit both parties. It's pretty clear to me that he really had no idea of the scale of the merger he was proposing- 5(!) companies into one massive conglomerate spanning 4-5 nations and containing over 10 brands, not to mention how many vehicles would be competing with each other (and 1960s GM can tell you how well that works out!). That's not even getting into technologies or sharing platforms.
I too am gonna love some of the things he'll say, since now he's released to complain about anyone and everyone. But Carlos long outlived his usefulness, and getting rid of him is the first step on a long road to Nissan actaully being a car someone would want. As for Infiniti... I don't know. My mother just picked up the AWD 370z Infiniti used at 20K miles for around 20 grand total as a total steal; they're gonna have to get WILD to turn this around, pronto.
In reply to GIRTHQUAKE :
GM, at least, is still around.
Ask British Leyland how well it works to compete against yourself, with multiple redundant engineering divisions, and no cohesive corporate identity.
I'm honestly surprised it took him this long to realize the Japanese government doesn't like foreign entities having control of Japanese companies.
I'm even more surprised this hasn't happened sooner.
Wally said:In reply to Antihero :
It's going to be the first car eligible for vintage racing from the showroom floor.
You might be right. I mean.....if it's a great great car that everyone loves, go ahead and make it forever.
But the 370z isnt that car.
Knurled. said:Ask British Leyland how well it works to compete against yourself, with multiple redundant engineering divisions, and no cohesive corporate identity.
Well, they eventually fixed the multiple engineering divisions "problem", which IMHO didn't exactly improve the product that much either.
Antihero said:Wally said:In reply to Antihero :
It's going to be the first car eligible for vintage racing from the showroom floor.
You might be right. I mean.....if it's a great great car that everyone loves, go ahead and make it forever.
But the 370z isnt that car.
I was kinda thinking that too.... we emotionally wish automakers would make certain cars for longer, but when they actually DO it, we end up disappointed.
Heck, Nissan did it twice in recent memory besides the 370Z... they continued production of the B13 Sentra up until a couple years ago in Mexico. They also continued to make the S13 chassis alongside the S14 (maybe the S15 too?) because there was so much demand for it, so they said well, let's keep cranking them out I guess.
And Honda caught crap for making the same Integra from '94 until, what, 2002? instead of redesigning it every four years per their normal product cycle. And the Integra was a chassis worth continuing!
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