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Alan Cesar
Alan Cesar Associate Editor
3/5/12 9:25 a.m.

Yeah, yeah. Live axles are old hat. We're still fans of Mustangs, and the latest ones are a performance bargain. Those Coyote five-ohs sound wicked and love to rev. Unlike the old 4.9-liter "5.0," this new one is a legit 4951cc. What would you swap one into?

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/stampede/

MG Bryan
MG Bryan Dork
3/5/12 9:28 a.m.

Unfortunately that engine is still too wide to fit in anything I'd want to put it in.

Mustangs are a lot of fun, and the complaints about the stick axle are mostly unfounded. I'll take it over the crappy IRS they put in Cobras any day.

aussiesmg
aussiesmg SuperDork
3/5/12 9:30 a.m.

I would love a Coyote powered "anything".

Strike_Zero
Strike_Zero Dork
3/5/12 9:37 a.m.

Most of the stick axle cars I've driven, when setup correctly, puts the power down very well. I drove one at CMP that had a spool . . .that thing was a beast putting ALL the hp down coming out of the corners.

I would love to put a Coyote in one of my Bimmers. I'm thinking a E34 V8 car . . . preferably a Wagon

Schmidlap
Schmidlap HalfDork
3/5/12 9:51 a.m.

This was the first thing that popped into my head:

Either that or a Roadrunner.

Bob

Conquest351
Conquest351 Dork
3/5/12 10:08 a.m.

I want a Coyote and 6-speed in my P71!!!!

nderwater
nderwater SuperDork
3/5/12 10:46 a.m.

Factory Five Coupe or Roadster. Straight out of the box, the Coyote finally delivers the power those cars deserve.

dj06482
dj06482 HalfDork
3/5/12 10:53 a.m.

Easy, I'd swap a Coyote into a Factory Five Cobra. Does it count as a swap if the FFR doesn't come with an engine to begin with?

Javelin
Javelin SuperDork
3/5/12 10:55 a.m.

The problem with the Coyote (and the Mod Motor before it) has always been physical size. They're monsters.

I'd love to swap one into a 2005-2009 Mustang GT though (with it's much cleaner styling).

In about 15-20 years when they are just old motors I want to shoehorn one into a Lincoln Mark VIII LSC, complete with the 6-speed, in Black. Because that would be bad ass.

ultraclyde
ultraclyde Dork
3/5/12 11:18 a.m.

I love the new five-oh, but I won't go through the expense to retrofit my 4.6L '05. I'd rather just invest in boost.

OTOH, the FFR cars would be the secks with a little puppy power. Or maybe a late sixties galaxie ragtop....

pinchvalve
pinchvalve SuperDork
3/5/12 11:54 a.m.

So the older motor wasn't a 5.0 because they rounded up, but the 4951 is because...why? 5000cc = 5.0 liters. Period.

That said, I hear it is a great motor and I want a Boss 302 really, really bad.

81cpcamaro
81cpcamaro Reader
3/5/12 12:10 p.m.

Pinchvalve has a good point. Per the formula, the old 302 was 4942cc, only slightly smaller than the 4951cc for the Coyote. Plus, I wish they had built a 4-valve, 4" bore and 3" stroke 302, instead of the 3.63 x 3.65 it has now.

Swapping it into other vehicles is made more difficult because of the size. One down side to multicam engines is the size/height.

Schmidlap
Schmidlap HalfDork
3/5/12 12:23 p.m.

In reply to pinchvalve:

Because the rules of math say that when there's a 5 you round up, and when there's a 4 you round down, so: 4942 rounds to 4940 rounds to 4900 which is 4.9L but 4951 rounds to 4950 rounds to 5000 which is 5.0L.

5,000cc = 5.000L

4951cc = 5.0L or 4.951L

4942cc = 4.942L or 4.9L or 5L

It's all about significant digits and rounding and other egg-headish type stuff.

Bob

P.S. why does formatting seem to go out the window when you edit a post?

oldeskewltoy
oldeskewltoy HalfDork
3/5/12 12:56 p.m.

what BS... you guys are arguing about 9cc

not knowing the motives of the Ford engineers... but I'd guess the went with the longer stroke because of one thing... gas mileage (more torque)

Javelin
Javelin SuperDork
3/5/12 1:01 p.m.

They went with a longer stroke for one reason only, money. The Coyote (while sharing practically zilch with the Mod) is made on the same production lines, which have a set bore spacing. 3.63 is simply the biggest bore they can get in that tooling and it's too expensive for them to do a clean-sheet engine.

Alan Cesar
Alan Cesar Associate Editor
3/5/12 2:16 p.m.
pinchvalve wrote: So the older motor wasn't a 5.0 because they rounded up, but the 4951 is because...why? 5000cc = 5.0 liters. Period. That said, I hear it is a great motor and I want a Boss 302 really, really bad.

The 1.6-liter in an MR2 is 1587cc. The 3.9-liter Rover V8 displaces 3946cc.

Just sayin'.

novaderrik
novaderrik SuperDork
3/5/12 2:37 p.m.

it's that extra 9cc that makes all the difference in the world.. and adds a foot of width to the engine..

driver109x
driver109x HalfDork
3/5/12 2:52 p.m.
Schmidlap wrote: This was the first thing that popped into my head:

Hardcastle and McCormick... hellz yeah!

Osterkraut
Osterkraut SuperDork
3/5/12 2:55 p.m.
Strike_Zero wrote: that thing a was breast ...

Go on...

JFX001
JFX001 SuperDork
3/5/12 3:11 p.m.
Conquest351 wrote: I want a Coyote and 6-speed in my P71!!!!

I'll go up a notch and say a Marauder.

carguy123
carguy123 SuperDork
3/5/12 3:19 p.m.

So this is a different motor than the 4.6? I didn't know they had a new motor, just thought they played with displacement on the old motor.

Javelin
Javelin SuperDork
3/5/12 3:26 p.m.
carguy123 wrote: So this is a different motor than the 4.6? I didn't know they had a new motor, just thought they played with displacement on the old motor.

Yup, it's "new". The bore spacing and tooling used at the factory are the same, but something like 90% of the engine is redesigned. I've heard that 0 parts interchange. New block, new heads, new accessories, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Modular_engine#5.0.C2.A0L_Coyote

Conquest351
Conquest351 Dork
3/5/12 3:32 p.m.
JFX001 wrote:
Conquest351 wrote: I want a Coyote and 6-speed in my P71!!!!
I'll go up a notch and say a Marauder.

But I don't have a Marauder... LOL

I wish Ford had made the last 100 or so of the Panther's with 5.0's. That would have been an awesome send-off to a great chassis.

Strike_Zero
Strike_Zero Dork
3/5/12 4:05 p.m.
Osterkraut wrote:
Strike_Zero wrote: that thing was beast a ...
Go on...

FTFM . . . lol!! Bad Typist Mondays . . .

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter SuperDork
3/5/12 4:09 p.m.

Just and FYI, I don't believe that any of the 4v motors fit in the FFR Coupe, only the Roadster. No, I don't know what would be different in the engine bay that would make that the case.

For me, I'd drop the 5.0 in my Bronco and scrap that truck-block 302 that's in there presently.

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