Fast street cars

triumph5 wrote: You started this thread, daring people to build a 13 second turbobrick, and now do a la-de-dah-it's not-my--concern post. Fine, YOU step up, buy a set of Carillo Rods, Mahle pistons, etc...and finish a car. There are those who have gone down that route, and have put up not shut up. And that's the nerve you've touched.

Totally not what I inferred from the OP; but, hey whatever floats your boat I guess.

Blitzed306 wrote: Seems heated in here, For those of you that think these cars should be run on street tires, Drag slicks are a "must have" item, All your time is how good you launch. Without them all these cars would be worthless. Whats the fun in spinning your tires and going nowhere fast?

Not so. Witness F.A.S.T. Stupid quick on bias-ply razorblades.

http://www.fastraces.org/

10.98 @ 120mph.

"Street" car on "street" tires: Click Me.

Brian

Ranger50 wrote: "Street" car on "street" tires: Click Me. Brian

...and race fuel and a sticky track

Another car built for the track, not the street. ORSCA was full of those. Maybe that's why they appear to be in the fail mode right now...too much race car, not enough street car.

So much butthurt over a subjective definition.....

Weedburner wrote:

Ranger50 wrote: "Street" car on "street" tires: Click Me. Brian

...and race fuel and a sticky track Another car built for the track, not the street. ORSCA was full of those. Maybe that's why they appear to be in the fail mode right now...too much race car, not enough street car.

Blah, blah, blah. You are gonna bitch if you were hung with a new, never used, or old and used rope. The typical asswipe that responds because of "something" that doesn't make it a streetable vehicle but their hooptie is even though it's your typical open headered chevy bracket bomb that runs 14's with a 40mph tailwind.

So what it runs on methanol with EFI.

ORSCA was in fail mode when NHRA bought it. You can thank wishy washy rules and limp wristed rules makers/implementers for not sticking to the rules for the failboat. There are much better organizations out there if you quit watching the PowerBlock on Spike every weekend and believing their every word.

Brian

93celicaGT2 wrote: So much butthurt over a subjective definition.....

I call it identity theft. "Small business" is another term I feel strongly about.

Appleseed wrote:

Blitzed306 wrote: Seems heated in here, For those of you that think these cars should be run on street tires, Drag slicks are a "must have" item, All your time is how good you launch. Without them all these cars would be worthless. Whats the fun in spinning your tires and going nowhere fast?

Not so. Witness F.A.S.T. Stupid quick on bias-ply razorblades. http://www.fastraces.org/ 10.98 @ 120mph.

I thought this started because of a 7 second car at over 200mph? 10.98 @ 120 is impressive, but far from 7 @ 200.

I'm just saying that that speed and ET should be "impossible" for rock hard tires that would be deemed unfit for a Kia. Would you expect a big car like that to turn in those times on those skinny tires? Both cars are beyond impressive for what they can do.

Appleseed wrote: I'm just saying that that speed and ET should be "impossible" for rock hard tires that would be deemed unfit for a Kia. Would you expect a big car like that to turn in those times on those skinny tires? Both cars are beyond impressive for what they can do.

Got it...and agree. I never thought I'd see those kinds of times on bias plys.

Wow. I knew the anti-drag-race hate was pretty strong here, but this is ridiculous. FYI for those of you who don't know about Hot Rod's Drag Week. It's 1000+ miles of real street driving (2-lane country road type stuff with potholes in the midwest) and racing 5 tracks in 5 days, in 4 or 5 different states. These cars are more "street" than 90% of the crap we drive everyday. I'm 99% sure my stupid Miata wouldn't even survive 5 days of drag racing and it would run 16's.

Larry Larson's Nova (the twin-turbo 6 Berkleying Second 200MPH car pictured is the real deal. At the first Drag Week in 05 he showed up with that same car in Hot Pink running a massive blower. He ran exactly ONE pass at each track and nearly took the crown, never even hiccuped. That car is a monster and needs not prove anything to anybody.

As for the people calling for this to not be at a racetrack, are you flipping nuts? Do you have any idea what it takes to put together n event like this or Maxton? I tell you, those runways used for the 1 mile LSR racing aren't exactly "unprepped" either. Not to mention no insurance company is going to cover corporate liability for 6-second, 200MPH cars not on a damn racetrack!

And finally, for the people comparing a 10-second car to a 6, please give them a little credit. A 10-second car is no doubt fast, but comparing it to a 6 is like comparing your Estes model rocket to the Space Shuttle. A 10.98 car will likely pass the 1/8-mile at 6.95. Guess what? At 6.95 Larson's Nova is already finished!

Javelin wrote: Wow. I knew the anti-drag-race hate was pretty strong here, but this is ridiculous. FYI for those of you who don't know about Hot Rod's Drag Week. It's 1000+ miles of real street driving (2-lane country road type stuff with potholes in the midwest) and racing 5 tracks in 5 days, in 4 or 5 different states. These cars are more "street" than 90% of the crap we drive everyday. I'm 99% sure my stupid Miata wouldn't even survive 5 days of drag racing and it would run 16's. Larry Larson's Nova (the twin-turbo 6 Berkleying Second 200MPH car pictured is the real deal. At the first Drag Week in 05 he showed up with that same car in Hot Pink running a massive blower. He ran exactly ONE pass at each track and nearly took the crown, never even hiccuped. That car is a monster and needs not prove anything to anybody. As for the people calling for this to not be at a racetrack, are you flipping nuts? Do you have any idea what it takes to put together n event like this or Maxton? I tell you, those runways used for the 1 mile LSR racing aren't exactly "unprepped" either. Not to mention no insurance company is going to cover corporate liability for 6-second, 200MPH cars not on a damn racetrack! And finally, for the people comparing a 10-second car to a 6, please give them a little credit. A 10-second car is no doubt fast, but comparing it to a 6 is like comparing your Estes model rocket to the Space Shuttle. A 10.98 car will likely pass the 1/8-mile at 6.95. Guess what? At 6.95 Larson's Nova is already finished!

Just when you're ready to abandon a thread - here comes the light of day.

crickets

Huh, guess they saw the light.

Yep. You win.

granny wrote: It's not that those cars should be run on street tires...it's that a "street car" should run on street tires.

Just like STOCK class AutoX cars use proper tires when in competition, this one does as well. I don't see anything wrong with it.

The world is full of opinions, thanks for sharing yours here. Don't expect everyone to agree, even if you feel very strongly about yours.

We can play the "it's not a real street car" game all day long, and somebody will always say your definition is wrong. Air conditioning? Stereo? Real glass? Metal fenders? Treaded tires? You're splitting hairs.

I don't care how it's defined, anything with a license plate that turns sub-7s impresses me based on physics alone.

I don't care how it's defined, anything with a license plate that turns sub-7s impresses me based on physics alone.

srsly. You could also change the "7" to a "10," and I'd still be impressed.

Hey guys! Way to make a cool thread suck!

poopshovel wrote:

I don't care how it's defined, anything with a license plate that turns sub-7s impresses me based on physics alone.

srsly. You could also change the "7" to a "10," and I'd still be impressed. Hey guys! Way to make a cool thread suck!

You're not a street car!

The usual "What is a street car" debate is inevitable. One of the things that makes our Ultimate Track Car Challenge and other events so much fun is that we employ LESS rules. Less rules generally equals more fun for everyone.

At it's lowest common denominator a street car is a car that drives on the street. That statement sounds silly, but it's also disarming to all except those wearing the tightest underwear. As long as a car successfully drives on the street without violations or failures, it's a street car. Build cost, degree of amenities are all subjective terms.

Good Mojo: A street car is a car that drives on the street. /Steve

Steve Chryssos wrote: The usual "What is a street car" debate is inevitable. One of the things that makes our Ultimate Track Car Challenge and other events so much fun is that we employ LESS rules. Less rules generally equals more fun for everyone. At it's lowest common denominator a street car is a car that drives on the street. That statement sounds silly, but it's also disarming to all except those wearing the tightest underwear. As long as a car successfully drives on the street without violations or failures, it's a street car. Build cost, degree of amenities are all subjective terms. Good Mojo: A street car is a car that drives on the street. /Steve

So what's an actual street car to call itself? In your opinion, could a backwards compatible jet car also qualify as a street car? DOT tires, commonly available kerosene fuel and no need for a sticky track...where would you draw the line?

My point is that cars built to perform in a traditional street setting should be able to have their own identity. I happen to own such a car, so over the years i have formed an opinion. I feel strongly that such a car should use common traditional street car fuel that's available anywhere. I also feel that it should be ready to roll on tires and equipment that would pass a traffic cop's inspection. In my mind, seeing such a car riding a trailer is nearly enough to disqualify it as being a street car. Even though I own a car trailer, my "street car" has never been on one in the 16 years that I have owned it. If it breaks at the track, it gets driven home broke, fixed on location, or a flatbed gets called for the "ride of shame". If a real street car is un-reliable, i feel there should be a cost associated with that, so i'm willing to put my wallet where my mouth is.

Weedburner wrote: So what's an actual street car to call itself? In your opinion, could a backwards compatible jet car also qualify as a street car? DOT tires, commonly available kerosene fuel and no need for a sticky track...where would you draw the line? My point is that cars built to perform in a traditional street setting should be able to have their own identity. I happen to own such a car, so over the years i have formed an opinion. I feel strongly that such a car should use common traditional street car fuel that's available anywhere. I also feel that it should be ready to roll on tires and equipment that would pass a traffic cop's inspection. In my mind, seeing such a car riding a trailer is nearly enough to disqualify it as being a street car. Even though I own a car trailer, my "street car" has never been on one in the 16 years that I have owned it. If it breaks at the track, it gets driven home broke, fixed on location, or a flatbed gets called for the "ride of shame". If a real street car is un-reliable, i feel there should be a cost associated with that, so i'm willing to put my wallet where my mouth is.

Don't be silly and engage your brain for once in your life and not just for the involuntary reflexes.

My next "street" car won't pass your silly street car rules.

E85 is a pump fuel that is available, but not everywhere, especially here in BFE. But I am going to use it anyways. The nearest commercial E85 "gas" station is 1.5 hrs away over some E36 M3ty roads.

Passing a cop's inspection? Totally subjective to the animal in the pressed blue/brown suit. With today's sewing machines on the road, anything that makes a louder tick gets pulled over. People with non sewing machine vehicles get pulled over for tires all the time with DOT stampings on the sidewall and have available tread.

Riding on a trailer equals disqualification? How about taking your FAMILY to the track to enjoy the "street" car? Plus I don't have the logisitics to bring TWO vehicles everywhere if I goto the track.

In addition, if you saw what I drove on the streets in 2000-01, you wouldn't call it a street car, but it got street driven EVERYWHERE. It had no heat, no AC, barely working PS, full exhaust with no cats, rattling tin can from no insulation and sound deadener, rolling on VW front tires and 275/50 drag radials in back, lightweight aluminum drag seat, 700# of excess weight removed, and burning a quart of oil every 200 miles. Some street car eh?

Brian

Larry Larson's car was much better when it was pink. That made him beating people sting that much more. Yeah you got smoked by a Nova, but a PINK nova?!

93celicaGT2 wrote:

poopshovel wrote:

I don't care how it's defined, anything with a license plate that turns sub-7s impresses me based on physics alone.

srsly. You could also change the "7" to a "10," and I'd still be impressed. Hey guys! Way to make a cool thread suck!

You're not a street car!

Greedo shot first! Ford's better'n Chevy!!!

Ranger50 wrote: My next "street" car won't pass your silly street car rules.

I don't think any of my cars has at all.. pass a cop's inspection.. heck my daily wouldn't get very far with that one!

No kidding. It's a good thing that Indiana doesn't have inspections, because most of my junk would fail. If you can legally drive it across the freakin' country, that's enough for me to consider it a street car. I didn't realize we had so many berkeleytards here.