Finalizing my challenge budget - couple questions

Some guy's fresh set of autocross Hoosiers don't count toward the budget but my 4 quarts of Mobil 1 do? Mmmkay.

NOS being free also does not compute for me. How would you not count something that adds huge Hp to your performance?

I was just thinking about this because I thought I heard that fluids were free. Glad I included mine in the budget.

Wait NOS is free? Can someone explain why?

Alright guys. I'm appending the rules. It's not very reasonable to add something to the budget requirements at the last minute that some people didn't know about. Frankly, it wasn't specified in the rules, so that's on us. But now it's in there.

Here is the new ruling and it will not change before the challenge. Sorry if this thread caused any mass panic.

Fluids (including gasoline, oil and brake fluid) are not required to be included in the budget. Nitrous oxide refills do not count toward the budget (however, the cost of the equipment that comes along a nitrous setup does need to be added to the budget). Nominal amounts of grease (such as what’s required to pack bearings) do not need to be included in the budget.

echoechoecho wrote: Wait NOS is free? Can someone explain why?

I can't.

But last time I checked, NOS was not a fluid. It's a gas.

SVreX, you convinced us not to stir the pot too much a week before the event. Thanks for updating, Ed.

In the future, if the rules don't say something is exempt, it is not exempt.

If anybody is real passionate about this, let's discuss fluids at the Town Hall.

Thanks!

Only nominal amounts of grease? Dammit!

I really do like the Town Hall approach, it's less ranty and lynchy than the internet. Thank you guys for starting that. I look forward to seeing you all there.

MrJoshua wrote: Only nominal amounts of grease? Dammit!

We all know that Ed's Mustang would have aerodynamic elements made of dried grease if we allowed an unlimited amount.

MrJoshua wrote: Only nominal amounts of grease? Dammit!

There goes my plans for the hotel hot tub.

Ed Higginbotham wrote: Fluids (including gasoline, oil and brake fluid) are not required to be included in the budget. Nitrous oxide refills do not count toward the budget (however, the cost of the equipment that comes along a nitrous setup does need to be added to the budget). Nominal amounts of grease (such as what’s required to pack bearings) do not need to be included in the budget.

hmmmm, what can i do with $47.95.

I'm so close to half budget that I was considering not changing my oil before the Challenge. Now to see if I have enough for an oil filter.

SVreX wrote:

echoechoecho wrote: Wait NOS is free? Can someone explain why?

I can't. But last time I checked, NOS was not a fluid. It's a gas.

It's stored and injected into the manifold as a liquid.

Kenny_McCormic wrote: It's stored and injected into the manifold as a liquid.

Not in a dry system.

In reply to SVreX:

I thought "dry" implied no fuel added by the nitrous system? In either setup it's liquid N2O until the nozzle/fogger. At which point it flashes into it's gaseous state.

Kenny_McCormic wrote: In reply to SVreX: I thought "dry" implied no fuel added by the nitrous system? In either setup it's liquid N2O until the nozzle/fogger. At which point it flashes into it's gaseous state.

You're correct. Dry means no extra fuel, wet means you get nitrous and fuel.

You're also correct that nitrous is liquid in the bottle because it is under high pressure.

...AND it is a gas when it enters the manifold, because the nozzle is in the intake.

If we're getting technical here I believe gasses and liquids are both considered 'fluids'.

Stampie wrote: I'm so close to half budget that I was considering not changing my oil before the Challenge. Now to see if I have enough for an oil filter.

I was in the exact same boat. Now I guess there are no excuses not to change the oil.

In reply to rcutclif:

That too, all gases are fluids, but not all fluids are gases. Didn't feel like getting that pedantic from the get go.

In reply to rcutclif:

Touché

What will PACC do with all this extra $, seven loaves and 2 fish...

aussiesmg wrote: What will PACC do with all this extra $, seven loaves and 2 fish...

I already printed the budget out, so its still in there. I built the engine from parts, so I needed to buy oil regardless.

Thanks for clarifying guys. I assumed I needed to count everything, but seeing this all in writing is helpful. See you all in a week!