dawgvet
New Reader
6/23/24 5:52 p.m.
My son and I are looking to take his daily driver '15 Civic Si coupe to our first track day. The car is stock. Was looking to get some slightly better brake pads. What would you recommend? Also going to flush with new brake fluid. What fluid would you recommend?
Thanks
You don't need to worry too much about getting the very best brake fluid, any compatible DOT4/5.1 fluid will do on a stock sporty econobox. For pads, look into Stoptech 309 Sport or Powerstop PSA. These will stand up to track use but still have good street manners.
Porterfield R4-S is also a pad with good street manners that can stand up to some light track duty. Better for autox, sure, but I'd have to imagine it would hold up pretty well on a stock Si.
What track is it? If it's a higher speed track with heavy braking I would use some sort of racing fluid such as Motul 660. Last thing you want is to boil the brakes. You can probably use just about any decently sporty pad for a first track day. I have a ton of track experience and run basic pads on my 328i when I track it.
ddavidv
UltimaDork
6/24/24 6:57 a.m.
ATE Super Blue. Because it's a funny color you can tell when the old fluid has been fully bled out.
I used Hawk pads on all of my track cars and was very happy. Just follow their bedding in procedure.
dps214
SuperDork
6/24/24 8:35 a.m.
ddavidv said:
ATE Super Blue. Because it's a funny color you can tell when the old fluid has been fully bled out.
Good luck finding any, it hasn't been legal for sale in the US for a decade or more. Took a quick look on eBay and it's $70 for a liter from Europe. You can get way better fluid for that money, including at least one option that's a unique color.
I run Ferodo DS2500 on the front of my Hyundai Elantra N, along with high-temp fluid. I was turned onto the DS2500 by friends who autocrossed with them for better brake modulation. Here's a write up from FCP Euro:
"The DS2500 is one of the best hybrid street/track pads on the market. It features the moderately high bite and solid fade resistance of a track pad, with the relatively low dust and noise levels of a street pad. When used as a street pad, it can produce some squeal on certain vehicle platforms. During aggressive driving the DS2500 is known for its flat torque curve, which means as temperatures go up, the response through the brake pedal remains consistent. If you drive aggressively on the street, do some canyon runs, autoX, and maybe some light track duty on street tires, the DS2500 is tough to beat."
I can second that, I have found that they are a great all-around pad, not a lot of dust or squeal on the road, great performance at the autocross, and no fade on track nights. They are a little pricey, but well worth the investment IMHO.
I have an 08 civic that I daily, autocross and track. Good advice on the high temperature brake fluid, that's essential. Also, be equipped to bleed the brakes, at least the fronts, during the mid day break.
For pads, there's no pad that is a good street pad that will hold up well on track. Everything will be a compromise and I lean towards one that I know will work on track but isn't that great for daily use.
Hawk HPS pads were way overtaxed on track, my own fault as that's not their purpose. They also sucked for autocross, too grabby.
I run a set of Carbotech AX6 pads. They dust like an Oklahoma wind storm, and my stock wheels have some damage in the finish from the dust. This is an autocross pad, not intended for street use, and not their track pad, but it's worked for me.
This wheel was recently washed.
Here's my thread from 2018 asking about brakes. I think it's still relevant for you.
Link here