DeadSkunk (Warren) said:In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
LOL....No!! Give it up.
The dealer across the street from my office is out of Raptors anyway. They have a two year old Raptor with a short bed for $64,000. They are completly out of new ones. Sold out. I can't even have a short bed one.
It does look like it would be fun to flog one offroad. How much flog damange to they allow on the lease?
In reply to yupididit :
I wonder how many of those kits they sell annually? They've been selling the Jetta one for quite awhile now, plus this one. They seem to be decently engineered.
In reply to Kreb (Forum Supporter) :
I assume a Raptor lease is no different to any other vehicle lease, with the usual mileage limits and damage reparations. The lease vs buy monthly cost might actually look pretty good for leasing if the residual on a Raptor is high. The part of the saleman's monologue that I found astounding was that 90% of the vehicles were leased. I never thought about it before that day, but I certainly assumed sales would be greater than 10 % of the dealer's traffic. Now, that's also coming from a guy who has never leased a vehicle or had a car loan, so maybe I'm just naive.
Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:DeadSkunk (Warren) said:In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
If you really want a small truck and a 6 foot box, with a manual transmission , go buy a 2006 Scion xB, manual and build a light trailer from the 6' box of a 1972 Datsun 620. Seats four comfortably, gets 30 MPG and has no bro-truck stigma at all.
Hello, my name is Kreb and it would appear that I'm addicted to this stupid thread. That said, if Smythe would do their pickup conversion routine on a Legacy/outback wagon, you'd be able to extract a quite usable bed. In conjunction with the XT drivetrain you'd have a great light sport truck.
Apparently the Impreza kit does fit the Impreza wagon too.... but yet lengthened might be even a bit better.
In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
Lots of Raptors in DFW. I don't know how people park them, and I can't figure out how in the heck it'd be useful offroad on rough trails which are mostly Jeep width. Since Jeeps usually made the tough offroad roads, anything as wide a Raptor would get stuck or tons of body damage if used in that fashion. It's probably the ultimate desert racing truck though.
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
Lots of Raptors in DFW. I don't know how people park them, and I can't figure out how in the heck it'd be useful offroad on rough trails which are mostly Jeep width. Since Jeeps usually made the tough offroad roads, anything as wide a Raptor would get stuck or tons of body damage if used in that fashion. It's probably the ultimate desert racing truck though.
A quick check on the internet shows that there is not a single new one for sale in the DFW area right now. Looks like they are harder to find than houses for sale.
I have this evil idea of taking a Raptor to a Gambler 500 event and do with it what the Gamblers do. I probably couldn't afford the damage and the guy at the leasing company would probably have a heart attack when I brought it back on a flatbed. 
I wonder with so many random-ish posts about trucks, if this thread shows up on google searches for the new Maverick.
BTW, when I heard that name, it was for a specific engine, not a truck- this came as a surprise to me. Although, at least 15 years ago (probably closer to 20) I did a customer clinic about a unibody truck the size between the F150 and Ranger. I thought nothing came of that, but apparently I was wrong- just really late.
It's pretty funny to read people complain about this truck, when a different truck in the Ford line fits your needs. It's as if the short bed and the lack of frame is the death of pick ups. Of all the companies out there- Ford has a pretty wide choice of trucks, so2 there's probably something for everyone.
(it is amazing to get this truck for $20k, given what that means in 2000 dollars. Especially when you consider how high tech the two powertrain choices are- a hybrid or a GTDI 4 cyl. )
My oldest son has a Raptor. I don't believe it was meant to be used on jeep like trails but more of an all out baja sort of truck.
^People don't get that in the woods you're better off with a Samurai but in the whoop-de-doos you're better off in a Raptor. They think the Raptor is better everywhere.
yupididit said:Oooo lots of judgey grumpy haters who know better than people who buy what they want.
Though, no one needs a v8 miata, or 500hp wagon, or 11 $2000 E36 M3 boxes in their yard, or a 350hp hot hatch when a regular focus exist, or a v12 jaguar at 79 years old, or a late 70s big block luxobarge. AMG and M-cars? Wow what kind of machoman complex is this!?
I shall bow to yall superior automotive financial intellect and decision making!
LOL - great point!
In reply to yupididit :
But how do you feel about a 4 cyl. turbo Camaro or Mustang?
Confession time: I'm such a hypocrite. I bagged on the Ridgeline, hard when they came out. Honda did make mistakes with gen 1, like the angled bed sides and burying the spare tire under the bed (inaccessible with a load.) But its perfectly fine for 75% of what most people use a modern truck for these days.
Yet here I am digging the Mav. Like seriously digging the Mav. Maybe I trust Ford building trucks for nearly 100 years vs Honda's very first truck. I dunno.
I'm sorry Ridgeline. Can you forgive me?
racerfink said:In reply to yupididit :
But how do you feel about a 4 cyl. turbo Camaro or Mustang?
I feel like people buy and drive what they want. It's their money so they should buy and drive what they want.
Calling people idiots (or whatever other negative terms the holier-than-thou GRM members come up with) for what people drive is idiotic in itself.
I think 4cyl pony cars at cool tho
In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
All the Raptors here are on our roads. I never said they were easy to buy here. DFW is very full on Raptor owners. I was agreeing that they sell fast and easily.
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
All the Raptors here are on our roads. I never said they were easy to buy here. DFW is very full on Raptor owners. I was agreeing that they sell fast and easily.
They must. The dealers are sold out of them. Of course there is a general shortage of new cars right now.
Appleseed said:Confession time: I'm such a hypocrite. I bagged on the Ridgeline, hard when they came out. Honda did make mistakes with gen 1, like the angled bed sides and burying the spare tire under the bed (inaccessible with a load.) But its perfectly fine for 75% of what most people use a modern truck for these days.
Yet here I am digging the Mav. Like seriously digging the Mav. Maybe I trust Ford building trucks for nearly 100 years vs Honda's very first truck. I dunno.
I'm sorry Ridgeline. Can you forgive me?
I've been driving a Ridgeline for 12 years (gen1 and now gen2) because it's exactly what I want - a crossover with an open bed and some occasional towing capacity. I'm glad to see more options in the segment. The Maverick looks good except for tow rating. A U-Haul car transport is 2200 lbs empty. That limits project cars to 1800 lbs if I want to stay within the Maverick 4000 lb rating. The Ridgeline allows 2800 lbs on a U-Haul trailer. I really don't want to dedicate the space to own and store a lightweight aluminum trailer.
Dam you Ford and your holding of Cruise Control (cc) hostage.
So many stripped down cars, like the Koreans don't offer cc, not even as a line item option.
This Car and Driver article states the XL Maverick (stripped version) will not come with cc. I did the Ford build and price and the XL has no option to even add the cc. To get cc it seems you have to move up to XLT and about $2,200 more.
Appleseed said:Confession time: I'm such a hypocrite. I bagged on the Ridgeline, hard when they came out. Honda did make mistakes with gen 1, like the angled bed sides and burying the spare tire under the bed (inaccessible with a load.) But its perfectly fine for 75% of what most people use a modern truck for these days.
Yet here I am digging the Mav. Like seriously digging the Mav. Maybe I trust Ford building trucks for nearly 100 years vs Honda's very first truck. I dunno.
I'm sorry Ridgeline. Can you forgive me?
Hypocrite! Stone him!
Ridgeline's rock, even though domestic full-size trucks offer more volume and in some cases both better fuel economy and power, the Ridgeline offers Honda reliability and refinement and remarkable handling for its size. The other day I was shadowing a late model rear-engined Porsche on a windy road in mine. He kept speeding up, trying to lose me. Finally he did, but he had to push it a lot more than he expected and at the bottom of the hill he shot me the thumbs up.
There's a very real need for unibody pickups in the market, and I'm glad that more than Honda has realized that.
One other changing of old school thought is IRT IRS. The new Ford electric F150 has (gasp) independent rear suspension. With load-leveling suspension I don't see any downside to that, and on washboard gravel roads like you get in the California hills and mountains, IRS makes for significantly better traction and ride quality. Sure it doesn't take to getting jacked up as well as live axles, but that isn't what these vehicles are about anyway.
In reply to John Welsh :
Now, there's an option I have on a couple of vehicles but rarely (almost never) use, so not important to me, but in your line of work does it get used regularly ?
In reply to DeadSkunk (Warren) :
My base '90 Miata doesn't have cc and I don't care. My' 06 F250 XL doesn't have cc and I wish it did.
For my business vehicles, it is important to have.
In a modern vehicle, I just find the lack of cc inexcusable. If nothing else, at least the offering of it (as a line item option.) On the Maverick it becomes a $2,200 option because you have to move up to XLT.
It doesn't have to be adaptive cc. Just give me the old fashioned version for about $300 and I'd be happy.
In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :
First time in my life I've seen emptyish dealer lots. The last 18 months have been really bizarre in lots of ways I never imagined.
In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
My local Ford dealer used to have 1300-1400 new vehicles in inventory most of the time. I checked their website a few days ago, after driving past a pretty empty lot, and it showed 148 new units. About 15-20 of those were F450 cab and frame units, too. Most of it consisted of Escapes, Ecosports, and Bronco Sports. The dealership mile has everyone angle parking their inventory near the street to make the lots look fuller. I wonder how long it will take the industry to get back to some semblance of normal.
John Welsh said:In a modern vehicle, I just find the lack of cc inexcusable. If nothing else, at least the offering of it (as a line item option.) On the Maverick it becomes a $2 200 option because you have to move up to XLT.
It's surprising some of the things that are optional on Fords. I bought a 2018 F150 a few months ago and about 50% of the ones I looked at (all were XLTs) did not have rear defrost, something that I assumed was standard on every single car, especially in Canada. I'm really curious how many people bought those trucks assuming rear defrost was standard and then were shocked when it wasn't.
In reply to DeadSkunk (Warren) :
I think we may be one to two years out to return to normal. Much of the issue is a chip shortage, which I deal with everyday for our products. We use a certain processor and they are saying early 2023 is when we can expect more. There isn't a cross for it, so we either have to wait, or redesign and hope the redesign part doesn't run out of stock. This is a serious issue facing every product that uses electronics.
DeadSkunk (Warren) said:In reply to John Welsh :
Now, there's an option I have on a couple of vehicles but rarely (almost never) use, so not important to me, but in your line of work does it get used regularly ?
In my case, almost every time I turn it on I have to turn it back off within 5-10 seconds. I'd probably have do drive 45 minutes to find a place I can use it. I remember my folks using it all the time when I was a kid and there weren't a million semis all over the place.
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