NorseDave said:
alfadriver said:
In reply to trigun7469 :
Having "seen" Wolfe's management style, I seriously doubt there's fear. Desire to do it right, and be creative to find the solutions and not throw out blame is more likely. They will figure out the issue, address it, and fix it. And if something was missed, the person (or people) who missed it will not be chastised or fired.
IMHO, that's what's really separated Mercedes from the rest of the field over the hybrid generation.
His "Bottas didn't stop in the right spot" comment seems like he's totally willing to throw Bottas under the bus on this one. The other 3 tires got off and back on fine, did only 1 wheel stop in the wrong spot?
When it was said I looked and the wheels looked dead center of the spots marked for them so if it was out it was millimeters.
Zero to do with where Bottas stopped.
kevlarcorolla said:
NorseDave said:
alfadriver said:
In reply to trigun7469 :
Having "seen" Wolfe's management style, I seriously doubt there's fear. Desire to do it right, and be creative to find the solutions and not throw out blame is more likely. They will figure out the issue, address it, and fix it. And if something was missed, the person (or people) who missed it will not be chastised or fired.
IMHO, that's what's really separated Mercedes from the rest of the field over the hybrid generation.
His "Bottas didn't stop in the right spot" comment seems like he's totally willing to throw Bottas under the bus on this one. The other 3 tires got off and back on fine, did only 1 wheel stop in the wrong spot?
When it was said I looked and the wheels looked dead center of the spots marked for them so if it was out it was millimeters.
Zero to do with where Bottas stopped.
Here's a clip from the screen grab:
This is after the tire change (thus the hard tire is installed), you can see that the center of the wheel is not lined up with the yellow mark on the ground. Hard to say how much it's out by -- I'd guess 6-8 inches. That's not a lot, and normally the tire changers can deal with it. It's going to make it harder to do properly though, and it's not what they rehearse.
So is it the cause? No, not by itself, but it's a factor. Bottas was slightly off in his alignment, tire guy got the gun on slightly crooked and didn't notice before he pulled the trigger, and perhaps they'd shaved the weight on the wheel nut just a touch too far or maybe the nut had some kind of metallurgical flaw (speculation on my part, AFAIK Mercedes hasn't said anything about either). Get unlucky and put them all together on the same pit stop and you end up with a big problem.
This is not "throwing Bottas under the bus", it's identifying all of the factors that went into the DNF.
There's been talk in the past about how important placement is for a fast pit stop. If the pit crew has to adjust, it takes time. I think this is something that Lewis does a little more consistently than Bottas, as he is usually just a little bit faster on stops. Obviously, the Red Bull crew has made this a serious priority for years.
Before you can fix a problem, you have to identify a problem. The press likes to dramatize this the same way that any comment about tire wear is called "whining", but it's the right way to go about it.
That wheel needs to go up for bid at some sort of charity auction.
A hell of a souvenier for the right guy.
In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :
Find a shot of the right front,car is in the box slightly skewed and the right front looked to be dead on the mark when I watched it unfold.
Could be wrong of course. :)
kevlarcorolla said:
In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :
Find a shot of the right front,car is in the box slightly skewed and the right front looked to be dead on the mark when I watched it unfold.
Could be wrong of course. :)
The overhead shot doesn't show the front as well because the tire changers don't move back from the wheel because they never finish :). Also, the car is up in the air so there's a parallax error, on the rear it makes it look slightly further behind the marks, on the front it makes it look slightly closer to them.
Skewed in the box is also important though, because it means the axle isn't in line with the gun. It's getting the gun on crooked that's the problem because the teeth don't engage as far.
Baku-whenever I think of this race, I think of Daniel running into Max and Seb running into Lewis. It's such a strange track with tight, twisty bits then the Mulsanne straight at the end. I have no predictions, which probably means we are having an unpredictable season.
Wolff says racing must be more affordable after Hamilton ‘billionaire boys’ comment These comments are ridiculous, it’s like having a conversation with a child, things cost money, and Hamilton who become a factory driver at a young age, partly drive up the cost. Factory/Sponsored drivers drive up the cost more than anybody because they get free chassis/engine every 1- 2 races. Then you have the Chassis sellers upgrading every year, engine rules changing constantly (other than Lo206) “rich kids” See what the sponsored drivers are doing and are just keeping up. At national karting event, semi's show up with drivers that have multiple chassis and I think it was Sabre Cook who had a million-dollar sponsorship as a kart driver. Racing is more expensive than the stick and ball sports, but at a local level it can be cheap for motorsports, Box stock and Lo206 classes have helped the growth. Again, there is no future plans by any of the big kart organizations on the electrification of everything. Yes, you can go to the local indoor kart place but those are not built for sprint racing, and the average person does not have a tig welder to change the dynamics of the kart to accommodate. Then how to you charge them? Everybody has extension cords running all over the place or generators that use to be the engine on the kart? Motorsports cost money that is why F1 teams are spending $145 million dollars a year.
I'm going to say that Sabre Cook did NOT have a million dollar scholarship as a kart driver. You must be thinking of someone else. She's a total grassroots racer, originally based out of a dusty little kart track with no facilities to speak of in the Colorado desert.
AaronT
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6/3/21 10:18 a.m.
I was reading an interview with Bottas where he claimed the data from the stop shows him 2-3cm off center while the system allows for variance of 10-15cm. Quite the daytime soap opera, haha.
In reply to AaronT :
I haven't read that one, but i'm almost willing to bet there is a metallurgy issue with a batch of those nuts. Even if Bottas was dead nuts perfect, that wheel nut may have been machined by the airgun anyway. Maybe a batch of those nuts was machined or forged out of too soft an alloy to hold up to repeated use. Just my .02 or WAG..
Red Bull fastest in FP 1 & 2, Ferrari showing good pace, Mercedes "We're just slow"
In reply to Keith Tanner : I think your right about Sabre but she was part of the Energy Kart USA team and had several sponsors. I can't seem to find the article on ekartingnew but remember that someone received a $1 million dollar sponsor in Florida.
06HHR (Forum Supporter) said:
Mercedes "We're just slow"
That's the best news I've heard in F1 in years.
I'm not sad about the Merc's being slow (not happy about it) but I sure would like to see not Red Bull win, if it has to be Red Bull I hope it's Perez.
Just a few min into Q1 and things are kind of interesting.... Two red flags and we know who is starting at the back of the grid.
I expect a few more of these- as many drivers had problems in turn 15 yesterday, too.
Two more red flags, with the end being TWO cars missing the same corner ending Q3. Crazy.
And partially thanks to Mercedes, LeClerc is on pole- that tow down the front straight was pretty strong.
Mercedes is still fast... well, Hamilton. Given the issues they have, i actually expect them to be really fast tomorrow- their tires may last a longer time.
Charles does it again! Lots of red today, should be fun tomorrow.
Merc goes out on tires, Stroll red flag. Merc goes out on tires, Giovanizzi red flag. Merc goes out on tires, Ricciardo red flag.
Jeez...
Fun to watch session. Still a ridiculous track.
Streetwiseguy said:
Merc goes out on tires, Stroll red flag. Merc goes out on tires, Giovanizzi red flag. Merc goes out on tires, Ricciardo red flag.
Jeez...
Fun to watch session. Still a ridiculous track.
Yeh, I was wondering how many new tires Mercedes would burn through to get a couple of laps in. It seems that they need two warm up laps where everybody else needed only one. It bodes well for their race pace. I think we will see an interesting race.
alfadriver said:
Two more red flags, with the end being TWO cars missing the same corner ending Q3. Crazy.
To be fair, Sainz had no way of making that corner with the other one already in the barrier. It was either the escape road or the back of a stopped car.
Wow, two tire failures in this race- so much for the lower rear downforce + the "tougher" tire design.....
This race should finish under yellow.
Red flag all of a sudden- everyone gets fresh tires, now.
Red flag, guess they want that shoot out.
johndej said:
Red flag, guess they want that shoot out.
Alternate theory was presented that they don't want another tire failure- everyone gets fresh rubber now.
edit- they just replayed a Red Bull call to the FIA to ask for the red flag FOR tire changes..
The red flag means that all cars CAN change tires, which I imagine was the Race Directors plan to negate any danger that other tires could randomly explode. It's no coincidence that two rear left tires have failed. I think it's a good call, maybe not from a competition point of view but from a safety pov. Vettel in 3rd!! Wow, it's not over yet but I imagine Lewis has a good chance of jumping Perez at the start. This sure changed the Championship
