trigun7469
trigun7469 SuperDork
7/6/21 11:11 a.m.

Atleast they were consistent with the penalties and did not wait until after the race. It would be interesting how the drivers approach next race with passing. Tough race for Russell but he had bad luck when he took over for Lewis last year, hopefully he isn't smashing mirrors or walking under ladders. I second the motion for the WTF moment with Kimi, might be time to let Mick take the seat.

kevlarcorolla
kevlarcorolla Dork
7/6/21 11:28 a.m.

I've never agreed with it being ok for the inside car to simply throttle up and unwind the wheel on the exit wether their the overtaking car or being overtaken.

 

 If there's a car along side they earned it and deserve the space to race.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/6/21 11:38 a.m.

In reply to kevlarcorolla :

Especially when the car on the outside is ahead, as was the case at least once last weekend. 

kevlarcorolla
kevlarcorolla Dork
7/6/21 1:36 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner :

With series I run in your getting a black flag to invite you to toddle down pit lane for a chat with an official at the very least.

 Far bigger penalty than 5 seconds as it should be.

We're kinda also required to stay on the track not just a sliver of an inside wheel while the other 6+ feet of car is off on the curbs ;)

Benswen
Benswen Reader
7/6/21 2:12 p.m.

On the last LeClerc/Perez incident, in the onboard video you can see Perez "unwind" the wheel to the right, pushing LeClerc out.  Maybe he was counter-steering, but it sure looks like he was pushing LeC out.  Regardless, it makes Checo look bad when he cries about Lando doing something that he did even more egregiously.

Advan046
Advan046 UltraDork
7/6/21 5:21 p.m.

Man tough race.

  • Leclerc had a hard time all race.
  • Norris was awesome. Earned that podium.
  • Bottas did a great job.
  • Lewis just couldn't do much with his car.
  • Russell and Williams can hold their head up by getting 11th, not by cars crashing out but on pace, just his start sucked. They have sucked since last year. Latifi starts better than Russel. Russell did make a comment that for a vast majority of his career in F1 (before this year) his starts didn't matter and he drove the races often alone until lapped.
Advan046
Advan046 UltraDork
7/6/21 5:32 p.m.

All the penalties were justified, maybe one of the Perez ones was questionable as Leclerc really threw it in and Perez was committed, but even then he had the ability to leave room.

Tsunoda really showed his rookie status, unacceptable really. He must have been keying off a marker that moved. 

Advan046
Advan046 UltraDork
7/6/21 5:33 p.m.

Final thought

Man the racing was good from 2nd back. I think the best thing about this last race was how much high quality wheel to wheel battles were shown, some in car. Leclerc/Perez, Hamilton/Norris, Perez/Norris, Russell/Alonso, Russel/Raikonen/Vettel, and Ricciardo/Ferrari/Alpha Tauri

kevlarcorolla
kevlarcorolla Dork
7/6/21 5:56 p.m.

In reply to Advan046 :

Agree except wtf was with the Kimi/vettel crash at the end?.

 Seb looked like he held his line and Kimi just turned into him and took them both out

adam525i
adam525i Dork
7/6/21 7:38 p.m.

Russel's defense on Alonso was great, just perfect car placement and forcing Alonso to the outside where he still left just enough room but had him fully out on the curbs (not in the gravel) where he couldn't get a good run out. Eventually Alonso got by but his car was clearly a lot faster at that point, he just had to find a way to get the run so it was over before the corner.

It's kind of funny watching Kimi's replay of the last lap, he's pissed at George's defense (which was perfectly fine) and ripping into him on the radio, seconds later he just drifts over into Vettel like he wasn't even there even though Seb was half a car length ahead by that point.

It's a shame the internet campaign to get Kimi voted driver of the day didn't work (he was second, they just wanted to see his reaction to the radio call out on the cooldown lap when the lady congratulates them) as they would've been doing that after that silly wreck and he probably would've gone way off script as everyone was hoping for. I guess I should've voted lol.

Advan046
Advan046 UltraDork
7/6/21 7:39 p.m.

In reply to kevlarcorolla :

IDK. I can only imagine Kimi was target fixated on Russell or looking at his dash or thought Vettel would stay further right. It was an odd crash. 

trigun7469
trigun7469 SuperDork
7/9/21 7:22 a.m.

"It’s going to be a train, probably. Hopefully there’ll be some overtaking, but it most likely won’t be too exciting.” -Hamilton

To be honest most race are like that, but I rather have another race rather then a practice session.

loosecannon
loosecannon SuperDork
7/10/21 6:34 a.m.

I doubt that it will a train because there is no strategy but to go flat out for the whole race and pass as many cars as possible

NoviceClass
NoviceClass Reader
7/10/21 10:12 a.m.

For those that may not have seen these videos on Youtube. VER vs NOR ghost lap in the Q3 final. Max doesn't pull it out until the final corner.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G649EPFjrQ

Advan046
Advan046 UltraDork
7/13/21 12:11 p.m.

Ugh I can't figure out what ESPN will be doing as far as coverage for this weekend. 

Cable TV DVR is smart enough to tell me "I don't know what is going on with ESPN and FIA and F1 and Covid in Britian so I won't let you record this listing."

ESPN website listing is gibberish as events overlap or seem to be on the wrong date.

F1 website itself doesn't list the correct dates and times for things.....

johndej
johndej Dork
7/13/21 12:56 p.m.

Yeah, ESPNs web announcements have been garbage. I find that on Thursday morning you can scroll enough to have them listed accurately.

rob_lewis
rob_lewis UltraDork
7/13/21 1:55 p.m.

This is my go to site when trying to figure out when races are on. https://www.racingtvschedule.com/ From this, it looks like (all Eastern Time):

  • FP1 starts at 6:25 a.m. Friday on ESPN2
  • FP2 starts at 9:55 a.m. Friday on ESPN U
  • FP3 starts at 6:55 a.m. Saturday on ? (My DVR says ESPN2)
  • Quali starts at 11:25 a.m. on Saturday at 11:25 on ESPN2
  • Pre Race (the sprint, I guess) starts at 8:30 a.m. on ESPN
  • Race starts at 9:55 a.m. Sunday on ESPN

Per my DVR guide, that looks accurate.  We'll see what actually happens....

BAH, comparing with the F1 website schedule, we don't get the sprint race anywhere, yet?  I'll keep looking.....

-Rob

 

HoserRacing
HoserRacing HalfDork
7/13/21 2:10 p.m.

In reply to rob_lewis :

FP2 is actually quali for the Sprint Race, and then Quali at 11:25 on Saturday is actually the Sprint race.  Or that's the way I understand the schedule 

rob_lewis
rob_lewis UltraDork
7/13/21 2:13 p.m.

In reply to HoserRacing :

Yeah, it's listed all weird, but looks like if you record everything above, you "might" get all the practices, qualifyin and the two races.  We'll see.

-Rob

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr PowerDork
7/13/21 7:52 p.m.

Yeah, it goes:

Friday: fp1, quali,

Saturday: fp2, sprint race

Sunday: actual race

84FSP
84FSP UltraDork
7/13/21 8:33 p.m.

Excited to see the new format.  Not a clue if it wil be brilliant or tragic.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/13/21 9:00 p.m.

Saturday's going to be a crash fest at the back. And maybe the front. 

How does race tire selection work? Free for everyone or do they have to use the tires from pre-quali quali?

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr PowerDork
7/14/21 8:01 a.m.
Keith Tanner said:

Saturday's going to be a crash fest at the back. And maybe the front. 

How does race tire selection work? Free for everyone or do they have to use the tires from pre-quali quali?

Uh, it gets weird.  Parc ferme for quali on Friday.  Then, can change stuff for Saturday fp2.  Then parc ferme for quali race and Sunday race.

You do not need to use the tires from your fastest lap in q2 of qualifying.  However, you need to give "back" more tires than a normal weekend so there will be less "new tires" available for the race on Sunday if I understand correctly.  

 

There is a good video describing all this....

https://youtu.be/TN-eoC3iTPc

 

84FSP
84FSP UltraDork
7/15/21 11:24 a.m.

In reply to wvumtnbkr :

Interesting - so more bites at the apple to get to the optimal race setup.  Not sure if that balances the playing field or let's the leaders get ahead.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
7/15/21 11:46 a.m.

Based on improvements over practice - I have to think that will benefit Mercedes. They seem to make the most progress with time. 

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