In reply to wae :
I suspect volunteer marshals are as passionate as US corner workers, aka the angels in white, who do a fantastic job.
In reply to wae :
I suspect volunteer marshals are as passionate as US corner workers, aka the angels in white, who do a fantastic job.
In reply to Tom1200 :
I'd bet most of them are passionate enough to stay an extra day. It seems like they're blaming the only group that really has no say.
I didn't know the men and women in white were volunteers at F1 events. I am use to Nasa, and the local kart tracks that I visit that pay you to sit out in the hot sun, or atleast credit you for money towards track time. My opinion the FIA should pay them not the track.
In reply to trigun7469 :
I can only speak for the USA but at most professional events the marshals are SCCA volunteers. I've actually worked some big events (for my SCCA region), they are a lot of fun and get you as close as you ever will without being a driver.
trigun7469 said:I didn't know the men and women in white were volunteers at F1 events. I am use to Nasa, and the local kart tracks that I visit that pay you to sit out in the hot sun, or atleast credit you for money towards track time. My opinion the FIA should pay them not the track.
But the FIA/Liberty only allows the track to host the event, for a large sum of money, and the track has to supply everything needed to run the event to their standards. Bernie set that deal up many years ago.
I bet there's less than 20 FIA employees on site, and fewer Liberty people.
Tom1200 said:In reply to trigun7469 :
I can only speak for the USA but at most professional events the marshals are SCCA volunteers. I've actually worked some big events (for my SCCA region), they are a lot of fun and get you as close as you ever will without being a driver.
Yep. I know several folks that have marshaled at the Detroit Indycar race on Belle Isle for years.
Tom1200 said:In reply to trigun7469 :
I can only speak for the USA but at most professional events the marshals are SCCA volunteers. I've actually worked some big events (for my SCCA region), they are a lot of fun and get you as close as you ever will without being a driver.
I worked corners via SCCA when Long Beach was an F1 race. The fed us (bologna, an apple and a drink) so there's that.
Advan046 said:In reply to alfadriver :
I agree that a race by race plan for a postponed race is something that could be looked into.
Not every event can accommodate a rain delay date but worth seeing if a bunch of fans would show up on Monday.
Who cares if fans show up on Monday. Last year proved you don't need the stands full for a good race. And most fans are watching from home anyway. I am sure all the tv stations in every country would broadcast the race sometime Monday or Tuesday.
In reply to Rusnak_322 :
The fans that paid to be there care. I'm planning to go to my first f1 race this year and had no idea this was a possibility. I'd much rather wait a day and see the race than watch two parade laps and call it quits.
They can blame anyone they want, but the answer is "follow the money".
All those teams with chartered planes idling on the ground....
Spa was definitely a clusterberkeley but I have faith that Liberty and the FIA will take steps to ensure it doesn't happen again
In reply to loosecannon :
Yeah - done is done. Post-mortem it and move on. It sucked not to have the race, but my heart is happy for Williams and Russell - they showed up when it mattered and were rewarded.
Just like we all moved on from the Hamilton/Verstappen "hard racing"/"intentional collision" incident :)
If NASCAR can reschedule races for the following Monday due to weather then F1 can too.
Apparently Giovanazi is out and Albon is back in if the interwebz are to be believed.
The twitterverse is awash with Botas, Russell, and Raikkonen news as well but unclear what is remotely real.
In reply to 84FSP :
One of the theories why this hasn't been announced is that Alfa wants to wait until Monza to make the announcement. Once Bottas is announced to drive for them, then Russell can be announced to MB.
Speaking of Alfa, they may be the team that Andretti buys. That news keeps going on- which would be interesting. Why them and not Haas? Get Haas, and you have a US based engineering location. Unless that going to russia is a done deal- then maybe Mike can get the Haas facility.
And if the Hass thing goes down, I kind of feel bad for Gene- he had a solid team structure, until he let Stein tear the whole thing apart starting with the rich energy debacle.
Wally (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to Rusnak_322 :
The fans that paid to be there care. I'm planning to go to my first f1 race this year and had no idea this was a possibility. I'd much rather wait a day and see the race than watch two parade laps and call it quits.
Which one?
In reply to L5wolvesf :
Yeah. Amazingly all pro races here in the US are SCCA volunteers. I am one of them. Worked all of the F1 races at COTA, almost all of the WEC races, SG F1 race, and many IMSA races all over the use all as a volunteer. Heck, before NASCAR went with the lowest bid safety crew I volunteered at TMS for all of the nascar races too.
Basically all we got was food, cheaper hotels, and maybe a t-shirt.
Club racing is different because it's a lot harder to get people to volunteer there anymore. For the longest time, that was all volunteer till they couldn't get enough to show up.
More than anything, It's a matter of transportation if the marshals could be there. There is a certain minimum staffing that is required by the sporting regs. So if the marshal had a flight to catch, which is not uncommon, it would be on the marshals dime to catch the new flight. So some marshals probably could come the next day but there is a definate possibility that not enough to meet the minimum sporting regs as it's not like they over staff the corners.
In reply to wvumtnbkr :
I was planning to go to Austin but it's not looking good for a few reasons now.
In reply to bmw88rider :
When I was flagging (early 1980s) pro races here in the western US were SCCA volunteers too. I worked a couple F1 races at Long Beach and Club races at Willow Spring and Riverside. We got food (a sandwich, an apple and a drink) and a t-shirt for Long Beach - never hotels.
I don’t know about CalClub racing now since I am no longer in Cal, but back then there seemed to be plenty of flaggers etc.
In reply to bmw88rider :
So Formula 1 yearly profits are from $1 to $2 billion annually, and all they give you is some food and a T-shirt lolz that is crazy.
Not to get to crazy into the weather but I wonder if the cost cap will actually eliminate rain races because the cost of repair would go against the cap.
Kimi Officially retires.
Let the silly season seat swap begin!!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTSUHnoDG4L/
-Rob
trigun7469 said:In reply to bmw88rider :
So Formula 1 yearly profits are from $1 to $2 billion annually, and all they give you is some food and a T-shirt lolz that is crazy.
Not to get to crazy into the weather but I wonder if the cost cap will actually eliminate rain races because the cost of repair would go against the cap.
Formula one doesn't pay the corner workers, the track does. The track has to pay a ludicrous amount of money to F1 to host the race, so they have to squeeze pennies until they scream.
There is a logic to F1 finances, and it's is all pretty much based on how hard and dry Bernie was when he negotiated the deals. Go back pre covid and there were very few European races, but lots from places that wanted to be seen as not third world, or middle eastern countries with boxcars full of cash sitting around. Proper governments didn't want to subsidize a bunch of rich boys and their toys.
rob_lewis said:Kimi Officially retires.
Let the silly season seat swap begin!!
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTSUHnoDG4L/
-Rob
So then Bottas to Alfa Romeo, Russell to Mercedes. And a debate who replaces Giovonazzi.
In reply to trigun7469 :
F1 has almost nothing to do with the staffing the race operations. It's all the promoter's responsibility to supply the workforce and ensure the sporting regs are met per those requirements.
Same with almost all of the pro series including IMSA, Nascar, and IndyCar outside the traveling safety crew they support. The only series that actually did their own staffing was Red Bull Global Rallycross and they bled so much money that they were bankrupt in 2 years.
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