FORMULA ONE - 2020

Lot of car issues, my boy Danny Ric out, my other guy with the grid penalty.

Interesting race so far.

Can't believe that Kimi failure.

That was crazy- Lewis getting a 5 second penalty, and then Norris closing to 4.8 sec to him on the last half of the last lap to finish third.

Holy cow.

In reply to alfadriver (Forum Supporter) :

I still don't think Hammy deserved a penalty for that.

Got to give racing room. I think it was a good penalty call.

Lando ripped the last lap to get his first podium. Glad to see it. Exciting race to the end. I would hate to be the tire changer on Kimi's car. There is no way that wheel nut was on. 

That was exciting/crazy! LeClerc's pass near the end was really slick...I felt bad for Albon getting punted off the track and then breaking down.

bmw88rider (Forum Supporter) said:

Got to give racing room. I think it was a good penalty call.

 

Lando ripped the last lap to get his first podium. Glad to see it. Exciting race to the end. I would hate to be the tire changer on Kimi's car. There is no way that wheel nut was on. 

He got pushed off the track, and multiple others did during the race, so I didn't think it was warranted.

The Kimi thing was strange. He had been out multiple laps, hadn't he? Usually if the nut is on properly, it comes off in a corner or two.

There is a phrase you don't hear every day: "Lance Stroll doesn't have quite enough speed to pull away from Vettel."

z31maniac said:

In reply to alfadriver (Forum Supporter) :

I still don't think Hammy deserved a penalty for that.

Agreed. The irony is that it was at the Austrian track a couple of years ago that Max and Leclerc got into it and it sorta defined the "gloves off" era when the stewards gave it the thumbs up. 

Hell of a lap, Norris. Well deserved. 

Yeah, Norris put down a flyer to get that podium, well done!

Next weekend will be interesting.

I was surprised at the amount of attrition.

Drama!  Out of practice pit crews! Untested cars! Seb being Seb! Alex on the softs! Lewis creating an enemy! Lando smacking the big boys!  

Weird, but fun to watch.

When Alex came out on softs, I thought we were going to have a non-Merc driver leading the championship for the first time in the hybrid era.

Edit: I'm wrong there, because Seb led for a while a couple of years ago, didn't he?

Disagree on the Lewis penalty. He's way too good make a "mistake" like that and the stewards knew it. Vettel on the other hand can't stop tripping over himself. Sainz deserves the seat next year and proved it today.

maschinenbau (I live here) said:

Disagree on the Lewis penalty. He's way too good make a "mistake" like that and the stewards knew it. Vettel on the other hand can't stop tripping over himself. Sainz deserves the seat next year and proved it today.

Thing is, if you look at the space he gave, if you include the typical track run off that they use, it was pretty close to a car's width.  He barely left just enough space had Albon ran normally wide.  But he didn't, and that crossed Lewis' path.  Lewis made the mistake that Albon would take the "nornal" exit line.

In reply to alfadriver (Forum Supporter) :

I thought the same, but that corner opens up to a sand trap, not the green paved area.  Alex was pretty much as far out as he could go.

I am excited to see the quantitative analyses of the Mercedes toe control system. The media really pivoted in the interpretation of I'm not mistaken. The narrative is now focused on tire temperature control.  Ample opportunities to analyze this based on the Austria GP. Presumably Mercedes has already analyzed this. If the benefits are mainly in providing a method for improving front tire temperature control that will be interesting indeed. Could be significant for Motorsports if not for consumer vehicles. However more broadly I wonder if this could lead to new ideas for active suspension control in consumer vehicles, including active control of wheel alignment in sports cars. 

Lots of sympathy for Albon but ultimately sympathy will not sustain your career in F1.  I am an Albon fan and hope that he has a long career in F1!

Lewis' penalties were both ok calls. Albon could have given more room but Lewis made it too close. 

Oddly I was initially excited that Lewis wasn't going to fight Albon so much. Let him pass with minimal fight then hope Bottas and Albon get into it and allow Hamilton to get both of them or at least get second behind Albon. 

In reply to Streetwiseguy :

I think this was the key. If this was turn 1 and there is pavement outside the turn the stewards may have been more likely to let it go since Albon could have moved out a bit (RE: Versappen and LeClair), but since Albon was up against the gravel the burden shifted to Hamilton to give him the space he needed to stay out of the stones.

I also wonder if part of the issue was that the collision itself happened so late when both cars were basically out of the corner that the stewards assume Hamilton should have had more control over his car.

In the end I agree with the stewards decision and feel for Albon - great driver - he will get his podium eventually (or McLaren can keep benefiting from his hearbreak).

I think Lewis should be relegated in the results to one position behind Albon. Hamilton made the choice to hit Albon instead of finishing in P3. His penalty was very light compared to Albon's and Albon didn't do anything wrong. 

Oh, and I forgot to say, "LANDOOOI!"

For me this was a tough call; Hamilton's in car shows he never moved the wheel, he remained on the same trajectory from the time he turned into the corner. What I have not seen is the in car from Albon's car, did he tighten his line before the impact? The rule says you must give racing room; both drivers have a responsibility here so for me it was a 60/40. While I see it as more of a racing incident I fully expected Hamilton to get a penalty as, under the rules, he should have left a foot or two more than he did.

 If you are really on the limit, once you turn into the corner the car is on a trajectory and you don't have a lot of choices when changing that trajectory. Hamilton was taking his line in an effort to block Albon, while Albon was trying to hustle it around the outside to beat Hamilton to the exit and.........................Bam! 

z31maniac said:

bmw88rider (Forum Supporter) said:

Got to give racing room. I think it was a good penalty call.

 

Lando ripped the last lap to get his first podium. Glad to see it. Exciting race to the end. I would hate to be the tire changer on Kimi's car. There is no way that wheel nut was on. 

He got pushed off the track, and multiple others did during the race, so I didn't think it was warranted.

 

The Kimi thing was strange. He had been out multiple laps, hadn't he? Usually if the nut is on properly, it comes off in a corner or two.

Didn't the tire come off the wheel?  Looked like the wheel was still on.  Or is there some type of barrel that runs around the spindle and brake?

That's the brake cooling duct. 

In reply to Benswen :

So the wheel tether- anyone know where it's attached?  When the wheel first came off, it appeard that it was still held somewhat to the chassis, and then let got.  And it seem to me that if the tether failed, the Alfa-Sauber is in much bigger trouble than if the wheel nut was not tight.

alfadriver (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Benswen :

So the wheel tether- anyone know where it's attached?  When the wheel first came off, it appeard that it was still held somewhat to the chassis, and then let got.  And it seem to me that if the tether failed, the Alfa-Sauber is in much bigger trouble than if the wheel nut was not tight.

Wheel nut was cross threaded and they were fined 5k.