As an amusing anecdote, apparently Hamilton's final lap on 3 tires was faster than the motoGP lap record at Silverstone. :)
As an amusing anecdote, apparently Hamilton's final lap on 3 tires was faster than the motoGP lap record at Silverstone. :)
Advan046 said:Watch the video in Formula 1 website it shows why Hamilton didn't pit. He didn't notice a problem until he was on the last lap then it failed. So he only did two thirds the last lap on the failed tire....only..
Which video, I must have missed it? He complained of blistering over the radio to his team on his front left around lap 41, the same time Bottas was complaining of a vibration that wasn't a flat spot, but kept getting worse. When Bottas first started to lose time to Hammy, he was complaining about the vibration becoming so severe he was having trouble seeing.
Keith I'm with you on the right calls. It was funny looking at social media and how everyone (after the race knowing Hammy's tire failed) said Max should have stayed out for the win. Not understanding that RBR had accepted, we can't win, so let's guarantee 2nd and an extra point for the fastest lap.
In reality, no one but Mercedes has a shot at the WDC or WCC, so RBR is merely trying to finish the best they can for purse money at the end of the year.
Advan046 said:In reply to Dave M (Forum Supporter) :
Yes some autocorrect made my post read wierd. But I think the points were still clear.
Stroll- his dad is his sponsor. So is it your view that if Anthony Hamilton was a billionaire and brought 150M pounds to McLaren for 2005 season in F1. Skipping his amazing GP2 season that it was unworthy? Stroll skipped a few steps and had help for sure just saying it isn't fair to say he automatically sucks. He may be no better than Vandoorne/Palmer/Rossi but he got a podium in a Williams. And does ok against an obviously better Perez.
Sainz- I guess I didn't understand how the McLaren was slower than the Ferrari? He got in the back of Leclerc on the last two races and Grojean in England and just struggled to get by. He seemed more aggressive at the end of last year.
Bottas started complaining about an unknown vibration around lap 40. If he pitted it would have secured enough laps to run down Verstappen. He failed to do so in Hungary but Silverstone is a much easier track to pass on. Bottas onwon newhnew mediums needed a second per lap on Max which was doable.
Stroll is fine. He's better than Grosjean, at the very least, and probably better than Kvyat and Giovinazzi (and oldman Kimi) at this point too. Racing Point realizes that they're not realistically going to compete for the constructors championship with Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferarri in the sport, so Stroll and Vettel will be fine....just not as good as Sainz and Vettel.
Sainz - Ferarri brought upgrades which, at least for LeClerc, led to him qualifying ahead of the McLarens. So I'm not sure if race-pace was that bad for Sainz.
As for Bottas, it's not like he's making the pit decisions at Mercedes. He gets his paycheck for being the connsumate team player; he gets rich, Hamilton wins the WDC, everyone is happy.
I thought it was funny during the race that one of the commentators called the race a open track day for Lewis Hamilton lolz. I just wish the other teams, did a better job this year. Is it safe to say that Toto Wolf is Bernie eccolstone in sheep clothing, I have to imagine him being president of the FIA in a couple years.
Keith Tanner said:That was nuts. I don't understand why Mercedes didn't put Lewis and go for fastest lap. And there were a bunch of really close finishes down the field - if the race was one lap longer we would have seen a real change in the order all the way down.
I think all three top runners just needed someone to pull the trigger. I said before that Max should have come in after he had the gap to Charles, but that would have allowed Bottas to pit when the vibration came along, and Lewis would have come as well to go for fast lap. Maybe the only mistake, other than misjudging the lifespan of the tire, was to not pit Bottas as soon as he started vibrating. Had he come in for tires with 6? or so to go, would that have pulled Max in, restoring the 123 order we expected?
codrus (Forum Supporter) said:As an amusing anecdote, apparently Hamilton's final lap on 3 tires was faster than the motoGP lap record at Silverstone. :)
Super amusing. Looks like F1 cars are more than 30 seconds a lap quicker than the bikes at that track. Downforce, baby!
nderwater said:codrus (Forum Supporter) said:As an amusing anecdote, apparently Hamilton's final lap on 3 tires was faster than the motoGP lap record at Silverstone. :)
Super amusing. Liiks like F1 cars are more than 30 seconds a lap quicker than the bikes at that track. Downforce, baby!
You should ask Hamilton, what's more difficult to do at 10/10ths, driving his F1 car or riding a Moto GP bike! It's unfair that he gets paid 2-3x Marquez....as someone who used to watch only car racing, the first time I sat down and watched a Moto GP race I was in awe. What incredible, crazy bastards.
Or what's more difficult to do at that pace, driving a Moto GP bike at 10/10ths or an F1 car on three wheels with Max Verstappen chasing you ;)
Keith Tanner said:Or what's more difficult to do at that pace, driving a Moto GP bike at 10/10ths or an F1 car on three wheels ;)
I tell you what, he did a great job to keep that tire from completely de-laminating. He's truly mastered the Pirellis.
Anyway, comparing F1 to Moto GP is silly and I shouldn't have done it. It's like comparing golf to baseball; yes, both involve hitting balls with sticks (ouch), but one is all about hand-eye and the other involves running and throwing, etc.
Keith Tanner said:Or what's more difficult to do at that pace, driving a Moto GP bike at 10/10ths or an F1 car on three wheels with Max Verstappen chasing you ;)
140 mph with a flat tire...
I was wondering just how fast he was going. Thanks.
What was really impressive was seeing the car on the cooldown lap with the dead tire not turning at all. That's how stiff those cars are suspended, without downforce the suspension basically doesn't move at all.
nderwater said:Advan046 said:I agree it is a little bit optimal for Stroll to buy a team to help his son... Hamilton's dad paid his son's way until sponsors and McLaren started to foot the bill. Stroll just has more help money so they don't have to worry about driver sponsors.
I can't tell whether this is sarcasm or not. Everything about racing consumes money, so the more cash you have the easier it is to be successful--private instruction, the best equipment, hired help for race prep, etc. Anthony Hamilton was a regular joe working multiple jobs and pouring every cent into his son's racing. He was Louis' entire team--mechanic, pit crew, coach, manager, etc. until Louis was successful enough to join a top team. Many promising kids in racing are in a similar situation and their racing careers hit a wall when their parents run out of money. Lawrence Stroll is a billionaire, so from his earliest days Lance never wanted for anything and was able to get the next-level-up rides he wanted not based merely on talent, but on the cash he brought to the those teams. Saying "Stroll just has more help money" is like saying that Oprah's lifestyle is comparable to mine, just with more "help money" so she doesn't worry about her bills.
per his Wiki page, Hamilton signed to the McLaren driver development programme. The contract included an option of a future Formula One seat. he was 13 years old and fresh out of karts and was driving for a sponsored team. So his father didn't have to finance too long of a career. Every now and again talent overcomes finances.
A bolt killed Hulkenberg's car - a $1.00 part. OK maybe $20.00
https://sports.yahoo.com/clutch-bolt-failure-caused-hulkenbergs-175933332.html
Well, the location of the bolt may have been a factor. There's always some small root cause to a failure.
I was just going back through the final laps, kinda intersteing. Here's where Hamilton's flat started. It's amazing he stayed ahead....
The final lap data of Verstappen vs Hamilton
I've just watched the pit action from the lap 13 safety car, and I still haven't figured out how the front six cars didn't lose any positions when they came on the lap after everyone else.
Long track, slower speeds, but still. I would have thought somebody should have picked up a spot or two.
In reply to Streetwiseguy :
I was wondering that, too- do they run a VSC until the front driver picks up the actual SC? That would deliver the gap.
In reply to alfadriver (Forum Supporter) :
Must be. They didn't even mention it during the broadcast.
In reply to alfadriver (Forum Supporter) :
Under double yellow and SC I have heard the commentators say they have a VSC minimum sector time that they have to stay above. So since the top three that were past the pit exit when the SC started, they would not be picked up by the SC as they had passed the pit exit. So they were all held to the same min sector time and thus got the same time delta for their pitstops.
That is how I understand it. I am sure it is written in the rules book.
Four spectacular races this year, a future race with one practice session. Two new tracks.
I am happy with 2020 F1 season so far.
Mercedes signed Bottas for one more year- https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-valtteri-bottas-signs-new-deal-to-drive-for-mercedes-in-2021.5kdl5Krly4Y3Z1l6dCVJjy.html
Still no idea what will happen in 2022.
High temps mixed up the field in FP1 last week. But I am very certain they were running colder weather setups. Given a forecast of hot on Sunday this upcoming weekend. Will the grid be just as mixed up come Sunday afternoon?
I say not really but everyone from 11-20 will be on Hards. Anyone in 3-10 will be worried. MB will win with a massive margin.
Watching FP1 right now. Knowing Mercedes normal practice pace, the fact that they are clear of the field right now.... (Hamilton is .6 over Hulkenburg, with Bottas over .1 fater than that).
To me, this race will all be about tire management- getting from pit stop to pit stop the fastest overall time. Having a clear pace advantage should help Merc manage everything, again.
But more important- Hulk is more comfortable than last weekend.
alfadriver (Forum Supporter) said:Watching FP1 right now. Knowing Mercedes normal practice pace, the fact that they are clear of the field right now.... (Hamilton is .6 over Hulkenburg, with Bottas over .1 fater than that).
To me, this race will all be about tire management- getting from pit stop to pit stop the fastest overall time. Having a clear pace advantage should help Merc manage everything, again.
But more important- Hulk is more comfortable than last weekend.
Is it certain yet that Perez won't be in the car for s unday? I saw there was some discussion going on about Perez might be able to get back in the car.
Also, tracing point fined $400k and 15 pts for the brake ducts.
Edit: Perez tested positive again. Out for this weekend.
Streetwiseguy said:In reply to alfadriver (Forum Supporter) :
Must be. They didn't even mention it during the broadcast.
That's because the current team couldn't carry the collective jock straps of Varsha, Hobbs, and Matchett.
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