Don't forget they're different tires. Last year, Mercedes seemed to work best on hard tires. Maybe this weekends are at the harder end of the spectrum.
Don't forget they're different tires. Last year, Mercedes seemed to work best on hard tires. Maybe this weekends are at the harder end of the spectrum.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
Yes, they are the tires from the British, not the 70th. It even hotter than Silverstone was. I figure the Mercs are the cars to beat, without question. Still intriguing. Max is a speedy little devil in a car that is gentle on tires.
Betcha some backmarker start on hards. Betcha some in the back half of the top ten go soft-hard. Betcha the winner goes soft-medium-medium.
Lewis said they had too much understeer in the British which is why it punished the fronts, then they went too far the other way for the 70th. You could actually see Lewis hanging the tail out after he passed Bottas in that last race. So maybe they got the balance right for the tires.
Did they get the chance to do the pre-season and tire testing at Barcelona this spring? This may be the track where they have the most tire data.
Pretty bla race.
It was mentioned yesterday that this track is harder to pass than even Monaco, and it showed. It took tires to go off to make passes happen often. And for that, Albon got the clear message that he needs to really pick it up on Saturday- but I still put a lot of that on the team to help him. Red Bull has not actually helped a #2 driver pretty much ever- as soon as one person demonstrates some advantage, they drop the slower guy- Weber, Ricciardo, Kyvat, Gasley, and now Albon. As much as they pay, they don't treat #2 very helpfully. Which they very much need to so that the TEAM can compete with Mercedes.
But that was nothing to how Ferrari is treating Seb. They should have at least given him the benefit of his mind for the chassis change, but no- pull the rug out. And then the ignore him during the race, when he asked about strategy, they ignored him for many laps that could have been used to manage thing. I don't like Seb much, but he very much deserves better than that.
Anyway, shocking how much faster the top teams are to the rest of the field- given that the top 3 lapped the entire field. And they were managing tires.
This season has been like football. Six races in seven weeks, a bye this week, then another three. All the races (except Russia) are in good time zones to watch live. This is great.
Man, Ferrari and Seb are just plain done with each other. I think there was some great racing in the midfield - that pack was close. That was a fun race to watch.
Rosberg had an interesting point after the race, the drivers are really digging the intensity of the constant racing and the lack of promotional appearances.
If Max and the Mercs all stayed home, we'd be having some spectacular races.
It was interesting that Lewis team fixed their tire temp issues, and Max lost their hold on it.
Also interesting that the softs didn't give Bottas the speed he needed, but Seb ran 30 laps on them.
Weird how different cars treat their tires so differently.
Streetwiseguy said:If Max and the Mercs all stayed home, we'd be having some spectacular races.
It was interesting that Lewis team fixed their tire temp issues, and Max lost their hold on it.
Also interesting that the softs didn't give Bottas the speed he needed, but Seb ran 30 laps on them.
Weird how different cars treat their tires so differently.
Seb finished a lap down...
I'm still curious why the mercs had flats on these same tires 2 weeks ago. (While still winning the race).
wvumtnbkr said:Streetwiseguy said:If Max and the Mercs all stayed home, we'd be having some spectacular races.
It was interesting that Lewis team fixed their tire temp issues, and Max lost their hold on it.
Also interesting that the softs didn't give Bottas the speed he needed, but Seb ran 30 laps on them.
Weird how different cars treat their tires so differently.
Seb finished a lap down...
I'm still curious why the mercs had flats on these same tires 2 weeks ago. (While still winning the race).
Seb finished a lap down, along with 16 other cars....
wvumtnbkr said:Streetwiseguy said:If Max and the Mercs all stayed home, we'd be having some spectacular races.
It was interesting that Lewis team fixed their tire temp issues, and Max lost their hold on it.
Also interesting that the softs didn't give Bottas the speed he needed, but Seb ran 30 laps on them.
Weird how different cars treat their tires so differently.
Seb finished a lap down...
I'm still curious why the mercs had flats on these same tires 2 weeks ago. (While still winning the race).
From what I heard, Merc was struggling with understeer one week and then oversteer the next. And Silverstone is a very low downforce track- so there's a lot of tire scrubbing. Spain, high downforce, low slip = less tire temp problems. That, and Wolf's reaction makes one thing they found some other issues that have been solved- he told Horner "bring on the heat" after the race.
To me, that, again, is an example of Mercedes just being a good team- finding and solving problems. And why they have been head and shoulders over the rest of the field for many years.
I liked the race. It wasn't full of last lap craziness but it was fun and tense most the way through. I don't think MB are done and settled to win everything. Last year's Germany GP and the 70th GP are indications that they have to work hard.
Good to see Sainz race how I hoped he would from the start of the season.
They screwed Albon's race but he did ok. Max did the best he could, everyone keeps trying to hype this "rookie" but he looks older than they claim to me. Bottas had nothing and was let down by his team's tire choice.
Williams...ugh I thought they would have gotten ahead of the HAAS and Alfa Romeo guys by now.
Interesting race as everyone seemed let down except for Sainz and Max. And of course the world championship leader, Hamilton.
Advan046 said:I liked the race. It wasn't full of last lap craziness but it was fun and tense most the way through. I don't think MB are done and settled to win everything. Last year's Germany GP and the 70th GP are indications that they have to work hard.
Good to see Sainz race how I hoped he would from the start of the season.
They screwed Albon's race but he did ok. Max did the best he could, everyone keeps trying to hype this "rookie" but he looks older than they claim to me. Bottas had nothing and was let down by his team's tire choice.
Williams...ugh I thought they would have gotten ahead of the HAAS and Alfa Romeo guys by now.
Interesting race as everyone seemed let down except for Sainz and Max. And of course the world championship leader, Hamilton.
Well, it is his SIXTH season in F1. He was 17-years old in his first race, the 2015 Austrailian GP.
Williams sold!!!
Turkish GP tentatively added to the schedule this year.
Hello BLOWN RIGHT front tires! I'll be curious to see the corner apex(s) speed in Turn 8. Always thought it was a shame they quit racing there. Such a cool track.
In reply to Javelin (Forum Supporter) :
Call we call it 2 American teams in F1 now?
And here's an article about it- https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-williams-announce-sale-of-f1-team-to-us-investment-company.5hjIdxTo9MOBOlHkmfGjo.html
Very interesting- I'm betting it's for a minority stake, but who knows.
edit- turns out to be majority.
wae said:In reply to Javelin (Forum Supporter) :
Call we call it 2 American teams in F1 now?
And three North American- since Racing Point is Canadian.
I'm crossing all kinds of fingers for this being a thing that gets Williams a bunch of resources without un-Williamsing it.
It sure sounds like Frank has cashed out, which only makes sense in his position. I wonder whether Claire has any sort of position of power, or will stay on as a figure head, or will go back to work in the real world?
It is really too bad they had to go, but Williams was built out of the efforts of Frank, so maybe it was inevitable.
In reply to Streetwiseguy :
Yes part of me started to realize after thinking about this. It was a family business. And they kind of never wanted their children to inherit it. But they have probably built close relationships with many in the company and would prefer to transition it to another owner smoothly before Mr Williams dies. Claire will definitely stay on as she has been the only leader for a while. I expect her to promote a couple of folks to start her transition out. But probably not really stepping back until 2022.
LH @ SPA.....a new track record with a qualifying effort that included four 'off' track excursions. Is this sort of thing acceptable with the truncated season?
Not sure what the length of the season has to do with anything. There are still the same number of races at Spa this year as usual.
They're being pretty hard-core about deleting times for what the stewards decide is "off track" this year, so I guess he stayed inside what is deemed as track limits. Big distance between Lewis and Bottas (relatively speaking), we'll see what happens tomorrow. I'm hoping to see Danny on the podium.
Love Spa. So much more interesting than the modern tracks.
Keith Tanner said:Not sure what the length of the season has to do with anything. There are still the same number of races at Spa this year as usual.
They're being pretty hard-core about deleting times for what the stewards decide is "off track" this year, so I guess he stayed inside what is deemed as track limits. Big distance between Lewis and Bottas (relatively speaking), we'll see what happens tomorrow. I'm hoping to see Danny on the podium.
Love Spa. So much more interesting than the modern tracks.
All four wheels outside of what I presume to be the track limit stripe (red/yellow/green).......four times
In reply to 759NRNG (Forum Partidario) :
I half watched quali this morning, so I didn't see the turns on his laps, but supposedly, the track limit abuse penalties are only for the race, not qualifying.
It has now imposed clampdowns on the exit of the downhill left hander after Rivage and the exit of the final chicane that leads on to the start-finish straight.
Drivers have been told that for all three corners, at any time in practice or qualifying that they run wide and cut behind the painted kerbs then they will have their lap times deleted.
In the race, the FIA has also said that it will not tolerate any repeated abuse of track limits - with only three allowances made on Sunday before drivers will be reported to the stewards.
-Rob
rob_lewis said:In reply to 759NRNG (Forum Partidario) :
I half watched quali this morning, so I didn't see the turns on his laps, but supposedly, the track limit abuse penalties are only for the race, not qualifying.
It has now imposed clampdowns on the exit of the downhill left hander after Rivage and the exit of the final chicane that leads on to the start-finish straight.
Drivers have been told that for all three corners, at any time in practice or qualifying that they run wide and cut behind the painted kerbs then they will have their lap times deleted.
In the race, the FIA has also said that it will not tolerate any repeated abuse of track limits - with only three allowances made on Sunday before drivers will be reported to the stewards.
-Rob
This being said LH would be third on the grid IMHO...........
759NRNG (Forum Partidario) said:rob_lewis said:In reply to 759NRNG (Forum Partidario) :
I half watched quali this morning, so I didn't see the turns on his laps, but supposedly, the track limit abuse penalties are only for the race, not qualifying.
It has now imposed clampdowns on the exit of the downhill left hander after Rivage and the exit of the final chicane that leads on to the start-finish straight.
Drivers have been told that for all three corners, at any time in practice or qualifying that they run wide and cut behind the painted kerbs then they will have their lap times deleted.
In the race, the FIA has also said that it will not tolerate any repeated abuse of track limits - with only three allowances made on Sunday before drivers will be reported to the stewards.
-Rob
This being said LH would be third on the grid IMHO...........
Everyone was doing it, as I see it, the grid would be identical. What I don't get is why they allowed it starting on Friday. Lewis kind of eluded to it in the post qualifying interview mentioning how the track has changed since Ant Davidson drove the track. As long as it's allowed, every driver will take advantage of it, and change the track shape- I think they should put bigger problems as they get that far off.
Spa is our favorite track, too- reminds us of a walk though some woods hearing FP2 starting up and the scream of the V10's as we found our way to get into the track. We love that track so very much.
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