fasted58 wrote: How 'bout a Push to Pass nitrous button? ..... I'd like to watch that circus.
well, that would make them more like Indycar and F1..
fasted58 wrote: How 'bout a Push to Pass nitrous button? ..... I'd like to watch that circus.
well, that would make them more like Indycar and F1..
Bring back Trans-Am. Not the SCCA-ized version, the real 1970 version. Until then, my TV will be tuned to non-racing programming.
Here's the deal. We set each car on fire. The driver then has the choice to try to drive really fast to get the race over, or drive really slow so as to not fan the flames.
Javelin wrote: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/11/nascar-to-get-fuel-injection-for-2012-mclaren-wins-supply-contr/ Looks like 2011 is the swan song for carburetors! Maybe this a step in the "right" direction back towards at least production-based cars.
Yes, it's a step in the right direction, an infini'tesimally small step, and one of many, many steps that would need to (but won't) be taken to make this stupid form of billboard racing interesting to folks that know cars and racing.
Sorry, but Nascar has no intention of going back to "production-based" cars. Tube-framed, template-bodied chassis are cheaper and more rules-enforceable. Adapting the FI is just another step in the same direction.
Not that Nascar is the epitome of exciting racing, but does anyone seriously think FWD, six cylinder, caged unibody cars could be anywhere near as fast or interesting to fans?
Seriously?
In reply to oldsaw:
That's why manufacturers would come out with more exciting models again.
In a perfect world...
The right turns might have something to do with it though 
curtis73 wrote: I can see it now... there will be guys in the pits running out with fuel, tires, ...and an OBD2 tuner tweaking the fuel curve
Javelin wrote: Did you read the article though? "Sealed" spec system supplied by McLaren (go figure).
Just because it's a sealed spec system doesn't mean fuel and spark tables won't be adjustable. It just means that teams won't be able to add features or modify the circuitry of the computer, that is, they won't be able to add traction control or a pit lane speed limiter if the spec system doesn't have it.
Bob
Now they are running over 200 mph at Daytona. What will be NASCARS response to that. Have to watch the "shoot out" tonite to find out.
Watch for smaller restricter plates by 500 race day....
In reply to iceracer:
Seems like the new surface is working good for them then......
Javelin wrote:The right turns might have something to do with it though
Wow, even Acura's race cars are ugly.
fasted58 wrote: How 'bout a Push to Pass nitrous button? ..... I'd like to watch that circus.
"I want to see then on the 'Ring." That.
Hello Top Gear US, we have an idea that might be of interest...
EDIT ADD: They are going to try to limit speed by "reducing the number of hoses" to the oil and water coolers, so they can't run nose-to-tail for too long without engine failure. Or so they are thinking....much will depend on what happens tonight.
Oh noes, a sealed spec system!??!?!?!?!??!
Oh, yeah. Just like the one they've been using in F1 for a few years. No big deal.
I didn't know F1 was sealed spec? Aren't there videos of the Renault engine playing songs? I thought they just weren't allowed to tune them live from the pits during the race.
In reply to Javelin:
From the F1 web site, citing the FIA rules; "8.2 Control electronics : 8.2.1 All components of the engine and gearbox, including clutch, differential and KERS in addition to all associated actuators must be controlled by an Electronic Control Unit (ECU) which has been manufactured by an FIA designated supplier to a specification determined by the FIA."
Both systems from the same company, McLaren Electronic Systems. I think it's funny that their "official ECU of NASCAR" on their web page is bigger than the "official ECU supplier to F1" note. http://www.mclarenelectronics.com/
System tentatively to be used by NASCAR is by Mclaren AND Freescale, a microprocessor controller company.
We actually ran a motor in Nascar that had no push rods. When we first started with Toyota in getting into Nascar, we ran a "Celica" in the then popular Goody's Dash series. It was a 3.8 liter multi cam motor, topped by, you guessed it, a carb. It was good for almost 400hp and about 190 non restricted mph at Talladega.
A problem we ran into was that Nascar had no way to check the motor, so Toyota had to come up with a special set of tools for the inspectors to use. We were not their favorites! So when they went up to trucks, they had to design a push rod motor from scratch to do so. I think it had to do with the inspectors having to real knowledge of how to deal with a multi-cam motor more than anything else. We were maxed out at 3.8 liters, everyone else got to run 4.3. Hardly fair. They put out about 80 hp more than us, but we still almost always ran top 10 or top 5.
Oh, and the carb, they were 10k apiece and really needed going through by a specialist after every race to stay competitive.
By the way, ASA has been running EFI for years in their "stock cars". I'm assuming it will be a similar arrangement.
curtis73 wrote: I can see it now... there will be guys in the pits running out with fuel, tires, ...and an OBD2 tuner tweaking the fuel curve
and the cheaters would be reprogramming vi RC on the fly
In reply to oldsaw:
Fans won't like them because FWD V6 or Turbo four cars are not loud and raucous like V8s. NASCAR, muscle cars and Harleys are all ways for Americans to live in their glorious past. I am guilty of doing the same thing, However, to many NASCAR fans, the past is the present. They also like the soap opera that are the drivers' lives.
racerdave600 wrote: We actually ran a motor in Nascar that had no push rods. When we first started with Toyota in getting into Nascar, we ran a "Celica" in the then popular Goody's Dash series. It was a 3.8 liter multi cam motor, topped by, you guessed it, a carb. It was good for almost 400hp and about 190 non restricted mph at Talladega. A problem we ran into was that Nascar had no way to check the motor, so Toyota had to come up with a special set of tools for the inspectors to use. We were not their favorites! So when they went up to trucks, they had to design a push rod motor from scratch to do so. I think it had to do with the inspectors having to real knowledge of how to deal with a multi-cam motor more than anything else. We were maxed out at 3.8 liters, everyone else got to run 4.3. Hardly fair. They put out about 80 hp more than us, but we still almost always ran top 10 or top 5. Oh, and the carb, they were 10k apiece and really needed going through by a specialist after every race to stay competitive. By the way, ASA has been running EFI for years in their "stock cars". I'm assuming it will be a similar arrangement.
When that class ran four cylinders there were plenty of OHC motor. Half of the top 10 in 1985, the first race I saw in Daytona
1 21 Mike Swaim Pontiac 80
2 12 70 Preston Brown Chevy 80
3 13 17 Darrell Holman Ford 79
4 27 85 Chris Peyton Ford 79
5 11 32 Dan Vanderley Pontiac 77
6 17 24 Mickey York Ford 77
7 44 15 Jim Stellman Datsun 77
8 25 89 Floyd Weaver Chevy 77
9 8 44 Michael Waltrip Pontiac 76
10 28 23 Kenny Allison Toyota 74
Javelin wrote: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/11/nascar-to-get-fuel-injection-for-2012-mclaren-wins-supply-contr/ Looks like 2011 is the swan song for carburetors! Maybe this a step in the "right" direction back towards at least production-based cars.
Ohh no.. What if they go Drive by wire? Think of the safety concerns...
NA|SCAR and Goodyear have also been talking about going to a bigger wheel diameter- 17" instead of the current 15". they said it was to allow bigger brakes packages and to better reflect what the car makers are selling- when was the last time you saw a brand new full size sedan with 15" wheels on it?. they did some testing last summer, but i don't know what will come from that.
racerdave600 wrote: By the way, ASA has been running EFI for years in their "stock cars". I'm assuming it will be a similar arrangement.
aren't the ASA cars all running sealed LS "Vortec" crate motors? or did Dodge, Ford, and Toyota finally get to run their own non-Chevy motors? i remember them not being too happy that they had to have a big "VORTEC" decal on the top of the windshield a few years back..
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