That's Cruze, Joe. Cruise is what you were doing in it. (And all it's good for, IMO.)
That's Cruze, Joe. Cruise is what you were doing in it. (And all it's good for, IMO.)
jstein77 wrote: That's Cruze, Joe. Cruise is what you were doing in it. (And all it's good for, IMO.)
orly? Apparently winning WTCC events doesnt count...
4cylndrfury wrote:jstein77 wrote: That's Cruze, Joe. Cruise is what you were doing in it. (And all it's good for, IMO.)orly? Apparently winning WTCC events doesnt count...
Those have only slightly more in common with the street Cruze than the NASCAR SS has with the street SS.
wow lots of haterade spilling across this thread.
I think all cars are getting ugly but that may be me getting older. Like my dad saying, why doesn't anyone have chrome on the cars anymore?
The whole quality questions goes out the window when you have a Geo MEtro next to a Toyota Corolla and somehow despite both being made on the same line, same people, and same parts. People considered the metro to be poor quality and the corolla great.
Perceptions formed are minds set. Yes GM dropped the ball and suffered but now we are into delusional levels of BELIEF instead of facts regarding quality. Some GM cars have high quality and some don't, some Toyota's have high quality and some don't. Same for every other make.
The point being that we are in an era now of most cars sold being much higher quality than they were 15 years ago.
Back to the OPs point. Yes there is group think going on with most of the car companies on design. I just won't buy those specific cars, and instead buy something else that I do like from any country's auto company that sells here. My history has been:
None of them gave me any reliability issues that I wouldn't expect except for the Ford and Toyota and even those were minor issues.
Yes, Cruze.......
my mother dropped me on my head a lot as a child...
The whole quality questions goes out the window when you have a Geo MEtro next to a Toyota Corolla and somehow despite both being made on the same line, same people, and same parts. People considered the metro to be poor quality and the corolla great
The Metro has nothing to do with Toyota (it's a Suzuki), and yes, they were not great cars.
Zomby Woof wrote:The whole quality questions goes out the window when you have a Geo MEtro next to a Toyota Corolla and somehow despite both being made on the same line, same people, and same parts. People considered the metro to be poor quality and the corolla greatThe Metro has nothing to do with Toyota (it's a Suzuki), and yes, they were not great cars.
He meant Prizm. Identical to the Corolla of the era and literally built on the same line at the same time. Consumer Retards, among others, panned the Geo and loved the Toyota. Even the recesses for the badging were the same shape.
Duke wrote:Zomby Woof wrote:He meant Prizm. Identical to the Corolla of the era and literally built on the same line at the same time. *Consumer Retards*, among others, panned the Geo and loved the Toyota. Even the recesses for the badging were the same shape.The whole quality questions goes out the window when you have a Geo MEtro next to a Toyota Corolla and somehow despite both being made on the same line, same people, and same parts. People considered the metro to be poor quality and the corolla greatThe Metro has nothing to do with Toyota (it's a Suzuki), and yes, they were not great cars.
Thanks for the correction Duke.
jsquared wrote:4cylndrfury wrote:Those have only slightly more in common with the street Cruze than the NASCAR SS has with the street SS.jstein77 wrote: That's Cruze, Joe. Cruise is what you were doing in it. (And all it's good for, IMO.)orly? Apparently winning WTCC events doesnt count...
A cursory search of teh googels has returned several events from this past season where Cruzes were finishing in the top 5 in production classes. It may not be setting the universe on fire, but it appears to be a fairly competent design in motorsport
Regardless of all that, my point is that the new GM designs are doing a lot more for the right half of my brain than Japanese offerings at this time.
I was referring to those available in the U.S. Still disappointed that they didn't keep the SS going; that was a great engine.
Like this.
I think all the US companies have stepped up their game. I recently got to try several US products as my wife was shopping for a new "small" SUV. She ended up with the RAV4, because, her words, it's just nicer and drives better. To be truthful, she was right. We drove the Edge, and it was nice, but the Toyota was nicer, and the drive was not quite in the same league. It was also more expensive.
We did a cursory glance at a new Buick, but she couldn't see herself with a Buick of any kind. It looked nice and probably had the nicest interior, but it shows you the uphill battle the GM marks will have. My wife, the non-car person, didn't want to be seen in a Buick.
In the end, the Toyota was simply ahead of the others in overall fit and finish, and the dealer knocked $4k off the price for a year end deal. No other dealer was close in pricing.
By a strange circumstance, our salesman was an ex-Pittsbugh Steeler, Israel Raybon. A DE from the late '90's. He spent the last some odd years playing in Europe or somewhere. He was HUGE of course, and popped somewhat when he walked. A very nice guy however.
copied from an earlier post... I'm still waiting on this GM
The Code 130R Concept is a rear-wheel drive coupe with a 150-horsepower 1.4 liter 4-cylinder engine. It's a sort of "mild hybrid" with an engine that shuts off at stops and brakes that recapture energy to be used during acceleration. Although only a concept, it offers a preview of an inexpensive performance car GM could offer down the road...... the rear-wheel-drive 130R, assuming they(the 130R and the 140S) go into production, could cost a little over $20,000, GM says
Remember, cars never used to look the same.
It's not "sameness" that's the issue - it's "hideous and overscaled features". 
Goofy E36 M3 from the factory has been around for a while. Machine guns, portholes and boobs? Seemed like a good idea at the time.
Appleseed wrote: Goofy E36 M3 from the factory has been around for a while. Machine guns, portholes and boobs? Seemed like a good idea at the time.
Last I checked, boobs were still a very good idea in general. 
4cylndrfury wrote: A cursory search of teh googels has returned several events from this past season where Cruzes were finishing in the top 5 in production classes. It may not be setting the universe on fire, but it appears to be a fairly competent design in motorsport Regardless of all that, my point is that the new GM designs are doing a lot more for the right half of my brain than Japanese offerings at this time.
I haven't looked at true production-based FWD things (b/c I hate FWD 
) but from what I remember the Cobalt SS was pretty trackable for a FWD car.
If limited to new cars only, I'll agree with the part I bolded. I don't like how heavy some of the US stuff is but it's more appealing to me in general. The new Corvette is fantastic, but I'm still peeved that the Chevy SS sedan doesn't come with manual transmission as an option. Not like I could afford to buy one now, but in 5 years...
In reply to jsquared:
Within the next 5 years, someone will surely have figured out how to get a 6 spd rowboat under it...
I'd be surprised if someone couldn't pull it off now, either with Camaro parts or imported Aussie-market parts My gripe is that, given the nature of the car, it wasn't offered from the factory like that. Both from the "to-do-list from the moment of purchase" aspect as well as an indirect statement of the attitude of the manufacturer.
In reply to jsquared:
Given the very low numbers of Lincoln LSs, Caddy CTS-Vs, and G8 GXPs that people actually bought with manual transmissions, I'm not convinced the blame lies solely with the manufacturers.
The SS with have a stick option next year.
NICE. Hopefully they sell enough so I can afford a used one in five years
Careful. You probably said the same thing about the G8 GXP.
Actually, I think I did 
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