Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Publisher
8/9/24 8:54 a.m.

If it seems like this series has been a bit unfocused, well, it has been. While we’re pretty good at running a project car series, we’re total amateurs at building a home machine shop. 

That’s why we started by learning about CAD and technical drawings before meandering our …

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DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave MegaDork
8/9/24 2:34 p.m.

Timely.  

Last night I did my second project with my new Einstar scanner.  S197 Subframe so that I could start working on revised LCA mount points and engine mounting.  

This is the point cloud as it existed in the Einstar software - 

 

And then a meshed STL surface model pulled into SolidWorks

 



I'm into it for more than you guys, but only half of a challenge car more. 

DavyZ
DavyZ Reader
8/9/24 3:26 p.m.

Good article on 3D scanning and quite informative as well.  This is something I would love to get into and will probably do so late this year or maybe next year.  The possibilities are endless, it seems, and I am looking to do more and more independently if possible.  Need to buy a better welder first! cheeky

93gsxturbo
93gsxturbo UberDork
8/9/24 6:36 p.m.
DILYSI Dave said:

Timely.  

Last night I did my second project with my new Einstar scanner.  S197 Subframe so that I could start working on revised LCA mount points and engine mounting.  

This is the point cloud as it existed in the Einstar software - 

 

And then a meshed STL surface model pulled into SolidWorks

 



I'm into it for more than you guys, but only half of a challenge car more. 

What Einstar scanner?  I demo'd one this winter and it was such a shining pile of poo I sent it back.  Maybe they have improved it?

Also what software did you use to get the scan data from a point cloud to an STL.  Can you actually do mates and other solidworks goodness with it as an STL?

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave MegaDork
8/9/24 6:54 p.m.

I think there's only one model of Einstar. Shining has other scanners, of which Einstar is their entry level one.  I have heard that the current software is way better than the earlier stuff. Also, I have a pretty healthy hot rod of a computer, which seems to be a legit prerequisite. 
 

Used the included software (Einscan maybe?) to do the scanning, cleanup, mesh generation, and mesh cleanup, then exported as STL. I then used Meshlab to simplify it (fewer triangles, smaller file). Then imported into Solidworks as an STL surface body (versus graphic body which is the default). With that, I could orient it, create mating features, etc. 

It's far from seamless, but it took me from plugging the scanner in to useful geometry in Solidworks in about 3-4 hours. 

93gsxturbo
93gsxturbo UberDork
8/10/24 10:58 a.m.

They must have improved the software, then.  I had an absolute unit of a laptop running their software (MSI Vector, i9, GeForce RTX, so on so forth) and while I was trying to scan some stuff in on my Econoline van I was unable to get anything of value.  I tried to scan my bench vice and even that was a bit of a boondoggle.  

Probably user error, but color me unimpressed.  

Sounds like you have had more success, maybe I should give it another go.

prodarwin
prodarwin MegaDork
8/10/24 11:09 a.m.

I snagged one after Dave's review of it, but haven't tried it yet.  It's for work and there are some IT hurdles of course.  Might just try it with a personal computer first to see if it has any merit before I fight the corporate bureaucracy.

enginenerd
enginenerd HalfDork
8/10/24 12:09 p.m.
93gsxturbo said:

They must have improved the software, then.  I had an absolute unit of a laptop running their software (MSI Vector, i9, GeForce RTX, so on so forth) and while I was trying to scan some stuff in on my Econoline van I was unable to get anything of value.  I tried to scan my bench vice and even that was a bit of a boondoggle. 

I've used an Einstar to scan most of a car (in sections) on a machine with only 32GB ram and a GTX 1660Ti. I use some workarounds for meshing and file size management but the actual scanning goes pretty smoothly. Should note that I have not updated to the latest software version so ymmv?

 

 

kb58
kb58 UltraDork
8/10/24 4:59 p.m.

I've watched a number of YT reviews of different brands and while the hardware seems capable, most reviews contained negative comments about the supplied software. I need to see reviews where it "just works" before investing in a tool I don't really have an application for at this time.

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave MegaDork
8/10/24 8:53 p.m.
kb58 said:

I've watched a number of YT reviews of different brands and while the hardware seems capable, most reviews contained negative comments about the supplied software. I need to see reviews where it "just works" before investing in a tool I don't really have an application for at this time.

I would love a "just works" answer.  I imagine we'll get there eventually, but I also think it's a ways off, especially in the hobby space.  The good news is the results I'm getting out of this $1000 hobby machine are as good as what I was getting from $500k machines a decade ago.  The bad news is that the process is just as much of a PITA as it was a decade ago as well.  

kb58
kb58 UltraDork
8/10/24 9:06 p.m.

Seems like Apple could produce something in this price range that would blow everything else out of the water... though that's not really their thing, lucky for everyone else.

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