Hyundai Veloster: The GTI Is Back, and It’s Built by Hyundai

Fueled by Caffeine said:

In reply to pointofdeparture :

toyota has been sued more.

Not over their timing components!

Lots of carmakers get sued over lots of things, but getting sued for the same goddamn catastrophic failure-causing issue four times over a span of 25 years is just plain ridiculous. 

In reply to pointofdeparture :

Ford does have a history with fire over the last 40 years. Just saying. 

In reply to nocones :

what amazes me more is this isn't the FRONT side of the engine. No.... this is crank side. Means that the engine HAS to come out with the transmission to fix. Un-friggin-believable. 

Nope, I do not have faith in the good intentions of any automaker, merely reporting what the majority of consumer oriented research reports have to say about better reliability and lower cost of repairs over the life of the car, which is that VW is better than Hyundai. The lawsuit thing is largely irrelevant; the top sued car companies are Toyota, Ford, and GM, in that order, and as VW Group is recognized as the largest car manufacturer in the world, and they are not in the the top ten for lawsuits against companies in the USA, as the three above are, they must be doing something right. I don't have a dog in this hunt, nothing horribly wrong with a Hyundai, I just like VW's, always have.

Lawsuit or no lawsuit, the only other company that comes to mind with a serious multi-generational technical flaw on a similar scale to VW's timing gear is Subaru with the EJ-series head gaskets. I just don't understand how a company can be dogged by a single serious technical flaw for over 20 years when almost nobody else seems to have the same issues.

There are too many examples of VW corporate telling TSI owners whose timing gear disintegrated  just outside of warranty to screw off...just like when the 1.8T timing belts were breaking at 65-70k when VW's spec was to change them every 100k.

I don't trust the intentions of any corporate automaker myself, but between their mechanical maladies and Dieselgate I have even less trust in Volkswagen than anyone else. So to me, despite loving how GTIs drive, I'd take the Hyundai.

Bob the REAL oil guy. said:

David S. Wallens said:

mazdeuce - Seth said:

You mention that you want to try a 245, any ideas on how much tire might ultimately fit given wheel creativity? 255? 275? 

Honestly, that just seemed like a good first step. I was trying to keep the OD close to stock. 

255/40/17 is only a 25" tire...... 

But how happy will it be on a 7.5-inch wheel? Peter from BFG seemed to think that the 245/18 would be stretching it. If going to a wider wheel, then I'm not sure how big you could go. Guess we'd need to do some test fitting. :)

In reply to David S. Wallens :

There's a decent tire/wheel store in South Bend. PM me and I can send you their number, nice guys, racks of tires. 

mazdeuce - Seth said:

In reply to David S. Wallens :

There's a decent tire/wheel store in South Bend. PM me and I can send you their number, nice guys, racks of tires. 

Sure. Please. Thank you. 

In reply to David S. Wallens :

Considering the first generation platform (fist gen Forte) could stuff a 9" wheel with 245 tires.... I'd find it hard to believe the new ones are much different. C'mon..... you know you want to!

David S. Wallens said:

mazdeuce - Seth said:

In reply to David S. Wallens :

There's a decent tire/wheel store in South Bend. PM me and I can send you their number, nice guys, racks of tires. 

Sure. Please. Thank you. 

Bob the REAL oil guy. said:

In reply to David S. Wallens :

Considering the first generation platform (fist gen Forte) could stuff a 9" wheel with 245 tires.... I'd find it hard to believe the new ones are much different. C'mon..... you know you want to!

That's if going to a 9-inch wheel. I was talking about H Street. Now, if there are no class limits....

Bob the REAL oil guy. said:

David S. Wallens said:

mazdeuce - Seth said:

In reply to David S. Wallens :

There's a decent tire/wheel store in South Bend. PM me and I can send you their number, nice guys, racks of tires. 

Sure. Please. Thank you. 

Okay, I pretty much have Woody on speed dial. 

In reply to David S. Wallens :

Oh, I knew that. But that's a cute dog and a chance to post a meme. I gave up on classes... that's why I went CAM. Besides, the way the SCCA classes cars it'll get stuck in DS to start with. Kind of like how they wouldn't allow the last gen Accent into STF because it was too competitive for the class, but allowed the RSX. Or the Forte was classed as GS, but went to STF.... which gave you suspension, wheels and tires AND a better PAX. 

If I still had the Forte, It's be on some 8's and 235/40/18's

Just remember the street in front of your house has no sanctioning body. 

In all seriousness, the Civic we ran this year on One Lap was 3000ish lbs, 200ish hp, struts with multulink rear. Moving from a 225 to a 275 was a massive change to the tune of 8 seconds a lap at NOLA. The number of people that would be affected by knowing that the car fits a big tire is probably just a handful, but it's still good info. Andy Hollis said that they laser scanned the wheel wells of his McClaren, and GRM and Hyundai combined are at least as cool as Andy Hollis in a McClaren, right?

Glad to see the interest in this. Of course, for track stuff, yeah, no limit on wheel size. Might have to make some phone calls and see where this all goes. 

keep in mind that a lot of the Hyundai's / Kia's from the last ~8 years have been running 18x7.5's as an option, usually around et46.  There's a rear Genesis wheel that's 18x8 and et35, which should get you up to a 255, iirc.  But it'd almost certainly require some fender surgery.

maybe SCCA classing isn't the right place for this?  Maybe a tie-in with the new GridLife track-cross thing?  It'd probably take a good driver to make it mid-pack in SSGT2SB at OneLap, but that's because that's a pretty "hot" class... what with all the modded VW's, Focus RS, BMW m240's, and various possibilities of modified miatas.  Although, some Veloster TCR-like goodness would probably be a good tie-in to their PWC campaign?

So, yeah, offbeat hot-hatch doing sporty things?  Count me in as interested.

In reply to sleepyhead :

The I30N in Europe runs a 18x8 and 235/40, os so I've heard. If only we could get that goodness here....

edit:

this is what I want.

David S. Wallens said:

Wally said:

It still has too many/few doors.

Maybe?

This 4-door is too big.

This 2-door is too small.

This one is juuuuuust right.

jstein77 said:

David S. Wallens said:

Wally said:

It still has too many/few doors.

Maybe?

This 4-door is too big.

This 2-door is too small.

This one is juuuuuust right.

Yeah, pretty much. For us--me, my wife and our dogs--this would work pretty darn swell. 

Same car, different skin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9ABE0CaX3o

In reply to Bob the REAL oil guy. :

have only managed to watch 3mins.  bit of a shame that they're not covering what tires each of the cars is on