t25torx
t25torx Dork
10/8/15 7:50 a.m.

Sorry for the long story, but if anyone can get this, it's you guys.

If you've ever had the "joy" of trying to hunt down an issue with a vehicle by throwing part after part after part at it. Then trying everything that has ever been said on a forum for fixing said problem and come up short. Then you know how I was feeling yesterday.

I have a 6.5L Turbo Diesel that was hiccuping and stuttering, under load at first, then slowly it kept getting worse, to the point where it was bucking and almost stalling at idle.

I had gone down the whole list of easy to swap out parts. Fuel filter, check. Lift pump, check. PMD, check. Oil Pressure Sensor, check. The only thing left to replace in the fuel system was the Injector Pump. I was dreading it, and the five hundred dollars and 8 hours worth of work I would have to put in to R&R that thing. I finally bit the bullet and installed the pump over a couple evenings. Got it all back together, and turned the key, it took a couple cranks to get it going, but it was running. Damn, was I excited that it was running again, and seemed to be idling good after it cleared out the air int he lines. Then, I took it for a test drive.

My excitement and elation quickly sank below the waves frustration, exhaustion, and anger, as the truck started to buck and spit and sputter again. All that time, all that money, all down the drain and nothing to show for it.

So I took a break, and decided to start back at the beginning. The fuel filter, I had replaced it about a month ago when it first started hiccuping, so it should be good, right? Thankfully the filter on a 6.5 is easy to get at, it just unscrews from the filter manager on the back of the engine. I remove it and low and behold, it's covered in crud. I'm kinda shocked by just how much there is, abut also a little elated. Could it really be this simple? I look in the holder for the filter, the bottom of the unit is just completely cover in brown crud. I take the unit off, clean it out with compressed air. While I have the lines removed I go and remove the lift pump and from the pump lines I blow compressed air through them. If any crud was lodged in them, it's not now!

After I;m satisfied it's all clean, I put it back together. I prime the system and everything looks good. It's now time, I tentatively turn the key. She fires up very quick this time, my heart races. I back it out of the driveway, it's time. I put it in first, runs good, I go to second and floor it. Nothing but a steady climb of the RPM's as the turbo spools! No hiccups, no bucking, nothing but smooth power. It's fixed.

What I choose to believe is that the old injection pumps internals were breaking down and that caused the crud to get on the wrong side of the filter from the fuel return on the pump, clogging the lines. Also with three hundred thousand miles on it, it was probably nearing the end of it's life, so it wasn't a wasted five hundred dollars and two nights of work, that's my story anyways.

So moral of the story, check EVERY simple thing first, don't get lazy and skip over something. If I had looked int he bowl when I replaced the filter the first time, I might have been able to avoid all this frustration.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson UltimaDork
10/8/15 7:55 a.m.

I understand that fully, I had something similar the other day but not nearly as time consuming or expensive. I thought my 13 month old batter had died in the Volvo. The car was dead dead dead and even after a charge at first all I got was a click then dead, then everything was dead to the point of no lights on the dash. You know whats coming here don't you. An hour removing, cleaning and applying dielectric grease to every single terminal I could find and it's fixored as well. simple stuff always bites us. it should have been my first go too after 7 Michigan winters and 100k miles.

AntiArrhythmic
AntiArrhythmic New Reader
10/8/15 8:03 a.m.
t25torx wrote: What I choose to believe is that the old injection pumps internals were breaking down and that caused the crud to get on the wrong side of the filter from the fuel return on the pump, clogging the lines. Also with three hundred thousand miles on it, it was probably nearing the end of it's life, so it wasn't a wasted five hundred dollars and two nights of work, that's my story anyways.

This is exceedingly wise. I had a similar experience recently trying to track down a no start/no spark issue. I replace a coil, igniter, then the whole distributor only to find out it was a blown fuse. A lot of the parts I had laying around, but I did spend a bit of money on it. In the end I told myself that it was likely that they old worn out distributor probably caused the fuse to pop. At the very least it's one less thing to go wrong in the future, it's definitely not money wasted.

Hungary Bill
Hungary Bill SuperDork
10/8/15 8:39 a.m.
t25torx wrote: So moral of the story, check EVERY simple thing first, don't get lazy and skip over something. If I had looked int he bowl when I replaced the filter the first time, I might have been able to avoid all this frustration.

A lesson I seem bent on learning over and over again...

Congrats on getting rid of her hiccups though! Now grab a drink and savor the voctory

t25torx
t25torx Dork
10/8/15 8:45 a.m.
Hungary Bill wrote: A lesson I seem bent on learning over and over again... Congrats on getting rid of her hiccups though! Now grab a drink and savor the victory

You better believe I had a couple Sammy Oktoberfests after I got back from my test drive!

HappyAndy
HappyAndy UberDork
10/8/15 9:03 a.m.

In reply to t25torx:

Hopefully you are right about the injection pump failure. In reality, it's quite likely that you got a bad tank or 3 of fuel. If I were you I would change to filter again after a couple tanks of fuel have run through it. If its nasty again you might want to clean out the tank and get a new fuel Station.

ebonyandivory
ebonyandivory UltraDork
10/8/15 9:04 a.m.

I got soooo frustrated after my Hyundai died because the first thing I replaced was the fuel pump.

After that didn't fix anything I went on to replace just about everything else possible to the point I was checking the wiring harness for a semi-common chafing issue.

NopeNopeNope!!! I was right the FIRST time: fuel pump. I bought a new one that happened to be bad in the box.

This all took place over an entire YEAR!

t25torx
t25torx Dork
10/8/15 9:12 a.m.
HappyAndy wrote: In reply to t25torx: Hopefully you are right about the injection pump failure. In reality, it's quite likely that you got a bad tank or 3 of fuel. If I were you I would change to filter again after a couple tanks of fuel have run through it. If its nasty again you might want to clean out the tank and get a new fuel Station.

Yeah, I still need to replace the fuel sender unit, so when I go to do that I'll be able to check the condition of the tank insides and will be replacing the filter sock in the tank at that time also.

The reason it makes me think the pump was causing the crud, is that these were big pieces, and for these to get through the filter would be damn near impossible.

Harvey
Harvey Dork
10/8/15 9:51 a.m.

The worst is buying new parts that are broken. "I just replaced that, it can't be bad!" The paranoia rises when that sort of thing happens.

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