I still don't see EV's Replacing ICEs.

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

No.

Honestly 99% of the time I ignore everything he posts beyond scanning them for laughs, but every once in a while he posts something that is so utterly wrong I can't help it. I have to let the shiny happy person out of his cage. Snide remarks just seem to happen then.

It's a failing of mine. 

Sorry frenchyd. I'll put the shiny happy person back in the cage. 

In reply to Toyman! :

..or we could go for 70 pages, or even 100.

Then only way this doesn't make 70 is if it gets locked. 

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Toyman! :

..or we could go for 70 pages, or even 100.

If it reaches 100 I shall proclaim myself a forum God.

In reply to Tom1200 :

Better prepare your acceptance speech for your self proclaimed title.  It'll be here before you know it.  

frenchyd said:

Opti said:

In reply to frenchyd :

Here is the difference frenchy when the government solution fails we all foot the bill. In theory when a private sector solution fails, only willing participants (investors and consumers) foot the bill. I will grant you that isnt always true with the terrible blending of government and large corporations weve seen over the last few decades, as Ive said before we dont have capitalism we have corporate socialism.

Failure really isn't a complete loss. At least we learn how it won't work.  
     When the city of Minneapolis went from electric trolley to diesel buses  there was a lot of bribery and special interest involved.  
 So no Government isn't always perfect.  But it works better here than in China. Or Russia, or North  Korea.  
  But the Scandinavian countries seem very happy with their government compared to us.   I wonder why that is?  They pay a lot more taxes than we do? 

Another lie.  We pay just as much in taxes as they do and we get far less for it. Check the numbers, I dare you.  Your belief in lies that an idiot in mainstream media would parrot without looking into it is impressive.  The tax burden in tye US is atrocious.  It's just a cleverly denied and hidden fact.

frenchyd said:

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

Opti said:

In reply to Toyman! :

Private sector coming in clutch with a viable solution, while government solutions fail gloriously

If we are going for private sector solutions, I like this one better.

High-Speed Passenger Train: Buy Tickets Today | Brightline (gobrightline.com)

They already have a running operation in Florida. They are planning to build another one from Las Vegas to Southern California. It will be interesting to see if they can make high speed rail work in California.

I expect to see high speed rail a success.  It is in Europe and Japan. ( a 9 Trillion  dollar failure in China) 

It works there because it is clean, efficient, reliable and safe.  Those are things you can't say about public transportation in the US.  Building high speed rail won't create the cultural changes needed to make it popular.  

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

Pretty sure our actual tax burden was discusses in this thread, IIRC the average person will pay 33% of their income in taxes over their entire life.

Opti said:

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

Pretty sure our actual tax burden was discusses in this thread, IIRC the average person will pay 33% of their income in taxes over their entire life.

Yes but don't expect a certain person to acknowledge that either.  Our tax burden is very similar to the Scandinavian countries, we just get less for it.  Of course their current policies mean they are getting less now too and are less happy as a result.  This rumor dates back nearly 30 years to a big push for gov't run healthcare. I'd ask how that's going but open honest discussion is a talking point here and not a reality.  My tone  again?  My tone can be fixed.  Start with honesty.  It's actually easy to change my tone.  It's much harder to unroll popular propaganda.  Sadly my tone and propaganda are intertwined.  

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:

Opti said:

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

Pretty sure our actual tax burden was discusses in this thread, IIRC the average person will pay 33% of their income in taxes over their entire life.

Yes but don't expect a certain person to acknowledge that either.  Our tax burden is very similar to the Scandinavian countries, we just get less for it.  Of course their current policies mean they are getting less now too and are less happy as a result.  This rumor dates back nearly 30 years to a big push for gov't run healthcare. I'd ask how that's going but open honest discussion is a talking point here and not a reality.  My tone  again?  My tone can be fixed.  Start with honesty.  It's actually easy to change my tone.  It's much harder to unroll popular propaganda.  Sadly my tone and propaganda are intertwined.  

Comparing small countries (population wise) with relatively homogeneous populations with massive sovereign wealth funds to the US......I just don't think it makes for a good comparison. The entire country of Norway has 3 million less people than just NYC. 

As for high speed rail working in somewhere like Japan as was mentioned.........public transportation needs high population densities to be successful. That's why outside of minimal bus routes and bus stops in cities, you usually only see built out public transportation in very large, very dense cities. 

Opti said:

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

Pretty sure our actual tax burden was discusses in this thread, IIRC the average person will pay 33% of their income in taxes over their entire life.

Agreed. But don't the Scandinavian countries pay around 50%?
     If we add the cost of health  care and student loans plus job security,  maternity leave, added vacation  and other benefits.   Would we be willing to pay as much?   I also don't hear the complaining about unequal taxes there either. 

I think there is a lot of delusional and wishful thinking in this thread lol. 

kanaric said:

I think there is a lot of delusional and wishful thinking in this thread lol. 

Are you talking about the California High Speed Rail Project?   

I think you are.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/29/california-high-speed-rail-bullet-train

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/28/us/infrastructure-megaprojects.html   (pay walled, but I want to provide something that isn't only from one "side")

(I figure this thread needs and actual train wreck) 

Come on 70!!

In reply to frenchyd :

No, had he been first to market years ago when it was announced the gimmicky shape and stainless might have been something.  Now that there are several capable electric trucks on the market it's just a toy for the remaining fan boys. Same for the semi. 

In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :

I think if its actually good as a truck, which i doubt, it will do quite well. Ive seen and heard a lot of disappointment with the lightning when used as a truck.

Low priced EV's 

Tesla 

   Some conjectured involved based on data released during Tesla and investor day.  

Model 2 $25,000  range 250 miles  200 hp 

 the prices and information are based on models  released in Australia 

MG $27100  340 km  160 hp

BYD  $27,000   350 km  95 hp 

In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :

Define "capable". Towing and used as a truck they appear to not be worth a berkeley. Used as a car they are ok, but that defeats the purpose of a truck. 

In reply to frenchyd :

I remember when C8 Vettes were going to be $50k too.  We won't know the price until these hit US dealers.

Opti said:

In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :

I think if its actually good as a truck, which i doubt, it will do quite well. Ive seen and heard a lot of disappointment with the lightning when used as a truck.

I wonder if the Cyber truck is an improvement over other EV trucks or just  the same?   
 My gut says Elon Musk doesn't do the same as others.  
   I mean the Chevy has a 4&1/2 foot box Ford is a 5&1/2 foot box while the Tesla has a 6&1/2 foot box

   Horsepower is significantly higher,  and the batteries do not have a reputation of bursting into flames. 
   Stainless steel makes sense. 
a whole lot cheaper than painting a truck, and some guys just like shiny things.  much tougher than aluminum. 
    
Range towing and loaded will probably be the deciding factors 

Not every business uses a truck to tow heave trailers all day. There are several businesses here using them for deliveries and they seem to be doing fine. Our facility maintenance crew just got an electric transit and it's been working great for what they do. I don't see a cyber truck carrying that much or getting ladder racks or caps with that shape 

In reply to frenchyd :

He doesn't do much other than be first. The only advantage he has is the charging network. The cars are no better than anyone else's and the fit on many of the newer ones I've seen is atrocious. 

In reply to frenchyd :

All the specs on the truck are hypothetical until a production one is built. You may have noticed the absolute silence about the handful of semis that made it into testing. If they were meeting his claims you'd be hearing about it.