Can't tell if the other car could've better avoided this but it didn't
Can't tell if the other car could've better avoided this but it didn't
SMH. Moggie?
Seems like he was on the horn long enough to... oh, I don't know, unlock the brakes and turn the wheel a little bit?
That old car sure needed more power and or traction though.
Hard to tell, but it sure looks like this should have been easily avoidable by both drivers.
Bad placement for a classic British car gathering. So much traffic you couldn't get out of there either way!
In reply to D2W:
+1.
Seriously? Sure the Morgan could have maybe waited for a better time, but that in no way absolves the modern car of paying attention at a crossing/intersection. What the hell were they looking at?
You know, instead of hitting the horn, hitting the brakes sooner might have been a better reaction.
Trailing car certainly blew it. Testosterone much.
vwcorvette wrote: Seriously? Sure the Morgan could have maybe waited for a better time, but that in no way absolves the modern car of paying attention at a crossing/intersection. What the hell were they looking at?
Thats what I saw. The trailing car had more than enough time to brake given the area. It would also appear that he was speeding for the road, which didn't help.
In reply to vwcorvette:
They were probably looking at a car that they thought was going to stop in the median, because by all rights it should have. Unfortunately most people don't have the combination of training and experience in the majority of panic situations, driving or otherwise, to continuing to functioning with even basic motor (not motoring') skills. In situations like that it's not a cognitive process, but almost purely reaction based. This was potentially avoidable by both parties, given an above average reacting driver in the modern car, but predominantly the Morgan drivers fault.
Pretty sure his brakes were locked the entire time he was in the frame.
So .I counted. If you're on it, you had 7 seconds from Morgan to impact. His brake lights were on, but the car didn't appear to dive too hard. I'm really curious what an actual forensic accident whatever would say. The Morgan was an idiot to be sure, but....whatever hit him was not drIrving at all safely.
In reply to mndsm:
I only count about 3 second from when it becomes obvious the Morgan is actually going to (be dumb enough to) enter the lane of traffic rather than stop and wait in the median.
The sad part is that it couldn't have even been avoided by driving on the right side of the road, it appears everybody had it bass ackwards that day.
In reply to Driven5:
That part is true. Having been in that position before (and in this case, daily. Florida drivers are legendary) im overly cautious about people pulling out. I watch the E36 M3 out of traffic. So I was counting from my point. I also think that people that stop in the median are insane, but that's me.
At least commit to giving it more throttle if you're going to pull such a stunt.
You guys are really blaming the general public for not having performance driving like reflexes and ignoring the gigantic asshat move by the classic car driver.
What is happening here?
mndsm, ~3 seconds, say 60mph, do the math and see how many feet your covering per second. It takes the average person 1+ seconds just to get on the brakes and THAT's after the reaction time to realize "Oh E36 M3 I need to get on the brakes", and you all are assuming the should have been able to make a perfect panic stop while threshold braking.
You're expecting this of the general public? Thanks for the laugh this morning!
That was some horrible driving by both parties. There's no question that the driver that pulled out was legally at fault but the other driver had plenty of options for avoiding the crash. Ranging from slowing down when approaching an intersection with a whole bunch of people standing around to using some of the other controls at their disposal besides the horn button.
APEowner wrote: That was some horrible driving by both parties. There's no question that the driver that pulled out was legally at fault but the other driver had plenty of options for avoiding the crash. Ranging from slowing down when approaching an intersection with a whole bunch of people standing around to using some of the other controls at their disposal besides the horn button.
So you slow down if people are in a parking lot on the other side of a divided highway?
In reply to z31maniac:
Seems to me he had plenty of time to turn the wheel. That's all it would have taken, just rotate that big round thing in front of you a little bit, no brakes necessary. Listen to how long he was in the horn, he had plenty of time to do something. The only thing I can't tell do to the vantage point the video was shot is if the Morgan driver, in an effort to get out of the way, turned into the path of the other car if he did attempt to move to the left.
They are only painted lines on the road folks, you can physically cross then in order to avoid a collision.
Nick (Bo) Comstock wrote: In reply to z31maniac: Seems to me he had plenty of time to turn the wheel. That's all it would have taken, just rotate that big round thing in front of you a little bit, no brakes necessary. Listen to how long he was in the horn, he had plenty of time to do something. The only thing I can't tell do to the vantage point the video was shot is if the Morgan driver, in an effort to get out of the way, turned into the path of the other car if he did attempt to move to the left. They are only painted lines on the road folks, you can physically cross then in order to avoid a collision.
Again, for some reason you guys are expecting the general public constantly looking at their cellphones, playing with the radio, eating, putting on makeup, to be able to perform successful evasive maneuvers. This is what I find amusing.
Whether they should be to is not the point, it's that I count on everyone on the road being a complete moron that is actively trying to kill me.
And classic car driver is a perfect example of a complete moron in which his actions are not defensible in anyway, because people think Senna was in the hatchback and could have or should have missed him.
^Nailed it^
General driver hit the horn and brakes. Braked in a straight line instead of swerving to one side. Morgan driver pulled out without looking and stayed in the middle of the lane instead of pulling to the right side which would have prevented this. Agree it was a bad intersection to have classics at too with the traffic that was there. Not everyone is a defensive and/or performance driver.
Also looks to be Great Britain someplace as they are all driving on the wrong side of the road and sitting on the wrong side of the car. 
In reply to z31maniac:
Preach!
I also like reading comments that assume you can't push the brakes and the horn simultaneously or that the reaction of hitting the horn isn't just entirely instinctual as a "please move!!!"
i.e.
/\ I'm pretty sure this guy wasn't like: "I'll lay on the horn, that'll save me."
I've had plenty of panic stops where it was all I could do to slam the brakes (without even thinking) - If I hadn't been in a car with ABS they would have definitely been lit up.
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