I totally hate you all

I just bought my second Astro after having the first one for 15 years, and I have a Miata. Love 'em both, because they're both excellent for their intended tasks . The rest of you are just wrong and afraid to admit it.

belteshazzar wrote:

Javelin wrote:

Oh, absolutely, 1,000,000% agreed! The LS1-swapped Impala SS is the *coolest* car on GRM and I lust after a woodie Roadmaster in ways that are illegal.

i really REALLY want to have some kind of comparison between that car and mine.

YES!!! Uh, hello, Tim? Can we get a GRM Comparo Article on aisle 3 please? Yeah, there's a 5.4 P71 and an LS1/T56 Impala SS wanting to throw down. K thanks!

Javelin wrote: As for the E30, when's the last time you saw a post about one?

Oh, I dunno, how about you scroll down the GRM forum page a bit to find "Mein e30"?

And the problem with using bracket racing is that it's not exactly a showcase of a car. It's driver, and a car's ability to, well, drive 1/4th a mile more than once. You could win bracket racing in the worst car ever made, your bracket would just be, oh, 23 seconds.

Bracket racing (and all drag racing, really) is extremely hard on cars. Just look at how many Challenge cars have broken at one event. Now do that every weekend for 2/3rds of a year.

Longevity friend. Performance isn't every measure of a car.

Javelin wrote:

belteshazzar wrote:

Javelin wrote:

Oh, absolutely, 1,000,000% agreed! The LS1-swapped Impala SS is the *coolest* car on GRM and I lust after a woodie Roadmaster in ways that are illegal.

i really REALLY want to have some kind of comparison between that car and mine.

YES!!! Uh, hello, Tim? Can we get a GRM Comparo Article on aisle 3 please? Yeah, there's a 5.4 P71 and an LS1/T56 Impala SS wanting to throw down. K thanks!

i don't think it's a T56

.... You guys had to go and mess up your quotes, didn't you?

Javelin wrote: Bracket racing (and all drag racing, really) is *extremely* hard on cars. Just look at how many Challenge cars have broken at one event. Now do that every weekend for 2/3rds of a year. Longevity friend. Performance isn't every measure of a car.

And your P71 took aaaaall that abuse with a stunning reliability record, right?

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: Sounds like a driver mod. I refuse to believe that a P71 is more capable on a track than a 911.

[sarcasm]
Oh, no... the P71 is the clear choice over the 911 for all forms of motorsport. Didn't you read? He passed one at a DE.
[/sarcasm]

Osterkraut wrote:

Javelin wrote: Bracket racing (and all drag racing, really) is *extremely* hard on cars. Just look at how many Challenge cars have broken at one event. Now do that every weekend for 2/3rds of a year. Longevity friend. Performance isn't every measure of a car.

And your P71 took aaaaall that abuse with a stunning reliability record, right?

Actually, it did. The only issue I ever had with it the first 2 years was the rear ABS sensor and an axle bearing. Out of over 100 drag passes, that's damn good.

The spark plug issue didn't start creeping up until well after the end of a racing season where I raced once (maybe twice). And I agree with you, that issue sucks. Then again, it's gone 15,000 miles and moved to Florida since I sold it and hasn't had another issue with them after popping 2 in a row.

In other news..... i heard that "MX6 GT" was rapidly moving up in the ranks of "Answers."

Tom? James? Brandon? Back me up here.

I get the Miata: British Roadster plus reliability.

I get the E30: 3-series Bimmer minus zomg$$$$

Cherokees? Meh. My mom had one... my wife had one... an ex-gf had one... buddy had one... boss had one... and every single one was a big bag of snoozefest that I had to replace the starter on (well, at least on all the wimmin-folks'). Sure, decent if you need to rockcrawl as they're a real Jeep underneath, but I'm not an offroading kinda guy (unless it's rallycross).

Astros? No experience with one. Can't get past the looks (inside or out). Just not something I want to spend any time in, on, or around.

P71s. Sure, I get. Cop cars are fun, cheap, and make vroom-vroom V8 noises. I lump them in the same bucket as B-bodies.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: Sounds like a driver mod. I refuse to believe that a P71 is more capable on a track than a 911.

[sarcasm] Oh, no... the P71 is the clear choice over the 911 for all forms of motorsport. Didn't you read? He passed one at a DE. [/sarcasm]

It was a 65 911.

Yeah, obviously driver mods are into play. It does still go 95MPH in 2nd gear and 130+ in 3rd. Great high-speed car. Crappy autocrosser.

as many have correctly pointed out, XJ Cherokees totally suck. So much so that I've dedicated myself to getting them taken off the highway. If you have one just shoot me a PM and I'll come take it off your hands. they really blow. You don't want one.

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: In other news..... i heard that "MX6 GT" was rapidly moving up in the ranks of "Answers." Tom? James? Brandon? Back me up here.

Way back I used to own a plain MX-6 LX and a Probe GT (which was the MX6 GT in a swoopier body). I can definitely see an MX-6 GT being a cool car. I sold both for a DSM.

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: The E30, i can't explain. So i'm with you.

Cool looking, RWD, manual w/ LSD, sporty, light, fast, reliable as an anvil, cheap... 5 years ago they were fully depreciated and available everywhere. Can be road raced all over the country for cheap coin. The whole BMW line-up can donate brake, engine and suspension upgrades from the junkyard. The list goes on.

I'd say that the E36 should be promoted to replace it at this point though as it is where the E30 was then.

Javelin wrote:

Osterkraut wrote:

Javelin wrote: Bracket racing (and all drag racing, really) is *extremely* hard on cars. Just look at how many Challenge cars have broken at one event. Now do that every weekend for 2/3rds of a year. Longevity friend. Performance isn't every measure of a car.

And your P71 took aaaaall that abuse with a stunning reliability record, right?

Actually, it did. The only issue I ever had with it the first 2 years was the rear ABS sensor and an axle bearing. Out of over 100 drag passes, that's damn good. The spark plug issue didn't start creeping up until well after the end of a racing season where I raced once (maybe twice). And I agree with you, that issue sucks. Then again, it's gone 15,000 miles and moved to Florida since I sold it and hasn't had another issue with them after popping 2 in a row.

So seasons of previous racing couldn't have possibly caused the Mod to want to attempt to send a plug into low earth orbit? My wife can't be pregnant, we stopped having sex a month ago!

a401cj wrote: as many have correctly pointed out, XJ Cherokees totally suck. So much so that I've dedicated myself to getting them taken off the highway. If you have one just shoot me a PM and I'll come take it off your hands. they really blow. You don't want one.

I'm worried what i'm going to get when the supply of nice Cherokees finally dries up.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: The E30, i can't explain. So i'm with you.

Cool looking, RWD, manual w/ LSD, sporty, light, fast, reliable as an anvil, cheap... 5 years ago they were fully depreciated and available everywhere. Can be road raced all over the country for cheap coin. The whole BMW line-up can donate brake, engine and suspension upgrades from the junkyard. The list goes on. I'd say that the E36 should be promoted to replace it at this point though as it is where the E30 was then.

I never needed convincing, i just couldn't explain it. Cool looking is about where my brain stopped needing anything else and the "other" head took over.

Javelin wrote:

92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: In other news..... i heard that "MX6 GT" was rapidly moving up in the ranks of "Answers." Tom? James? Brandon? Back me up here.

Way back I used to own a plain MX-6 LX and a Probe GT (which was the MX6 GT in a swoopier body). I can definitely see an MX-6 GT being a cool car. I sold both for a DSM.

Swoopier.... yet heavier.

I go back and forth on mine. Some days i hate it. (Usually the days i'm not driving it.) Then within about 5 miles, i "get it" again.

Worth mentioning that mine is probably the WORST example on the face of the planet of one of these cars, and it's STILL been reliable as hell while remaining capable of melting tires and faces with one judicious stab of the loud pedal.

Pennies on the dollar. I paid $900 for mine, i know mndsm paid less than half that for his, and his is nicer.

ReverendDexter wrote: P71s. Sure, I get. Cop cars are fun, cheap, and make vroom-vroom V8 noises. I lump them in the same bucket as B-bodies.

Das a big bucket!!

Also Get a Starlet!!

I think the trinity and GRM recommended models have to do with capability per dollar.
Certainly a Miata is capable at track and autocross at a relatively low dollar per unit of capability.
Astros are capable at tow/haul/seat/sleep-in for low dollar per unit of capability.
I see how the P71 and XJ provide similar (but different) equations of capabilities per dollar.
As prices rise on the e30, the e36 may be overtaking that capability equation in the BMW arena. I do very much like the e30/325is that I own.

Osterkraut wrote: So seasons of previous racing couldn't have possibly caused the Mod to want to attempt to send a plug into low earth orbit? My wife can't be pregnant, we stopped having sex a month ago!

No, not likely. It's an extremely well-documented engineering failure thanks to bean counters. Some have 500K miles on them without popping, others had 10K. Luck of the draw. Mine would have popped with or without the racing.

As an aside, why do you hate this car so much? Ride in the back too often?

In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:

The Type-H trans is garbage and will not allow that otherwise wonderful vehicle/platform to make it into Answer category.

The mx6 GT certainly has something going for it. Anvil simple, anvil reliable. No one knows what they are, and if they do they dismiss them as has beens due to age and the SOHC'edness of it all. Far as I can tell, most expensive ones are WELL under 2k, and if you're paying more than that, you'd better be able to eat off every surface. I paid 400$ for mine with some rust, a rebuilt trans, and 209k on the clock. Reliable as gravity, and decently peppy stock. RETARDED fast for 0% cash. If you thought DSM was too hard, you need one of these. I had a DSM before this.

pres589 wrote: In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac: The Type-H trans is garbage and will not allow that otherwise wonderful vehicle/platform to make it into Answer category.

Solution: Bigger turbo!

I'm still on original trans, no rebuilds. I can count on one hand the number of broken H-types that have shown up on mx6.com in the last 2 years.

Also: I would bet good money that the trans in the Miata is no stronger than an H-Type.