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Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Associate Editor
6/23/14 3:55 p.m.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Now that carburetors are useless hulks with no purpose, what else can they be used for besides holding pencils? Can they be used to aerate wine or in the case of individual setups... mix drinks? I need a novelty for my bar.

I'd think they could, but you'll have to suck on the nozzle.

Cotton
Cotton UltraDork
6/23/14 3:58 p.m.

In reply to Tom Suddard:

How about doing an article on this magic EFI all these guys are talking about that's easier to install than a carb, not to mention cheaper!

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
6/23/14 4:02 p.m.
Tom Suddard wrote:
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Now that carburetors are useless hulks with no purpose, what else can they be used for besides holding pencils? Can they be used to aerate wine or in the case of individual setups... mix drinks? I need a novelty for my bar.
I'd think they could, but you'll have to suck on the nozzle.

I was thinking... three/four bike carbs, hook the fuel lines to inverted bottles (gravity feed). Make a nice looking manifold with a single collector that feeds into a glass or pitcher. Operate butterflies individually to taste or adjust the jets to mix it in one pull of the slides. Throttle by wire to amuse and bewilder!

T.J.
T.J. PowerDork
6/23/14 4:03 p.m.

My Mini has a siamesed intake ports and EFI is not an easy thing to add without a new head. Carbs are very relevant.

Since I could care less about the carb in my mower or weedwacker, I would like to learn about needle selection for SU carbs.

Tom Suddard
Tom Suddard Associate Editor
6/23/14 4:04 p.m.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:
Tom Suddard wrote:
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Now that carburetors are useless hulks with no purpose, what else can they be used for besides holding pencils? Can they be used to aerate wine or in the case of individual setups... mix drinks? I need a novelty for my bar.
I'd think they could, but you'll have to suck on the nozzle.
I was thinking... three/four bike carbs, hook the fuel lines to inverted bottles (gravity feed). Make a nice looking manifold with a single collector that feeds into a glass or pitcher. Operate butterflies individually to taste or adjust the jets to mix it in one pull of the slides. Throttle by wire to amuse and bewilder!

...and to not pour liquor into your glass until you've already picked it up again.

Hungary Bill
Hungary Bill Dork
6/23/14 4:32 p.m.
Tom Suddard wrote:
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:
Tom Suddard wrote:
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Now that carburetors are useless hulks with no purpose, what else can they be used for besides holding pencils? Can they be used to aerate wine or in the case of individual setups... mix drinks? I need a novelty for my bar.
I'd think they could, but you'll have to suck on the nozzle.
I was thinking... three/four bike carbs, hook the fuel lines to inverted bottles (gravity feed). Make a nice looking manifold with a single collector that feeds into a glass or pitcher. Operate butterflies individually to taste or adjust the jets to mix it in one pull of the slides. Throttle by wire to amuse and bewilder!
...and to not pour liquor into your glass until you've already picked it up again.

4-carbs, one liquor for each carb

  • Jack
  • Johnny
  • Jim
  • Jose

set the floats at 1/4 a shot each, and have the bowls pour into a common collection point to pour the perfect "Four-Horsemen"! You can twist the throttle plates open once to take advantage of the accelerator pumps and have the "part throttle" twist the throttle plates open twice for a "full throttle"

(replace liquors with rumplemintz, jager, goldschlagger, and 151 for the alternate version of the four horsemen or "liquid crack" depending on where you're from)

dean1484
dean1484 UltimaDork
6/23/14 5:09 p.m.

Tom,

I hate to say it but this may be something more for CMS

iceracer
iceracer PowerDork
6/23/14 6:08 p.m.

Back in the day when new vehicles had carburetors, the biggest problem was that they were not set to spec. Taking the carb off and resetting everything to spec. made a world of difference.

Did a bunch of them

Carro Atrezzi
Carro Atrezzi HalfDork
6/23/14 7:34 p.m.

What are all you haters going to do when the E36 M3 hits the fan one day and the EMP wipes out the brains on all your fancy pants EFI systems? Just sayin

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
6/23/14 9:26 p.m.
Carro Atrezzi wrote: What are all you haters going to do when the E36 M3 hits the fan one day and the EMP wipes out the brains on all your fancy pants EFI systems? Just sayin

Kugelfischer that som'bitch!

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
6/23/14 9:30 p.m.
Carro Atrezzi wrote: What are all you haters going to do when the E36 M3 hits the fan one day and the EMP wipes out the brains on all your fancy pants EFI systems? Just sayin

Steam!

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro UltraDork
6/23/14 9:33 p.m.

You hate what you don't understand...

aussiesmg
aussiesmg MegaDork
6/23/14 10:00 p.m.

Bring it EFI boys

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Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
6/23/14 10:05 p.m.

I see your massive carb (or puny hands...) and raise you... mechanical injection madness!

aussiesmg
aussiesmg MegaDork
6/23/14 10:13 p.m.

Will it bring 850 NA ponies to the party?

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
6/23/14 10:21 p.m.
aussiesmg wrote: Will it bring 850 NA ponies to the party?

Nope but it did deliver well over 400 NA hp from just 3.5L back in '73.

aussiesmg
aussiesmg MegaDork
6/23/14 10:27 p.m.

My budget in 2014 is a little lower than theirs was in 1973, and I expect to make 850, I am flat out excited to get it together

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
6/23/14 10:32 p.m.
aussiesmg wrote: My budget in 2014 is a little lower than theirs was in 1973, and I expect to make 850, I am flat out excited to get it together

what is it going in? 850HP is pretty damn exciting no matter how you come to it.

rebelgtp
rebelgtp UberDork
6/23/14 11:03 p.m.

I am getting ready to get into my first carb rebuild. I have had the Quadrajet for the 403 sitting on the bench with the rebuild kit next to it for a few months now. Weird combination of excitement and nervousness. Thankfully I have an old timer here at work that agreed to look it over and make sure I did things right and help me get the thing setup properly.

nicksta43
nicksta43 UltraDork
6/23/14 11:11 p.m.

In reply to rebelgtp:

Quadrajets are my favorite when they're right. Aggravating and boggy when they're wrong. My brother in law's brother was very good with them, he built two for me. Wish he was still with us so I could pick his brain on them.

rebelgtp
rebelgtp UberDork
6/23/14 11:20 p.m.

In reply to nicksta43:

Yeah finding a guy that knows Holleys is easy but finding someone that REALLY knows a Quadrajet in and out is damn rare. There are about 2 in my entire valley.

fidelity101
fidelity101 Dork
6/24/14 8:25 a.m.

You wanna know why I like carbs? Its easy and it works. Sure its not the most efficient but to swap to EFI or this that and the other it simplified my setups 10 fold. They don't make the best power, they don't have the EFI off the line driveability and they don't get great fuel economy but you know what, they always work and perform like a champ.

granted my daily is EFI for those very opposite reasons though.

Hungary Bill
Hungary Bill Dork
6/24/14 8:28 a.m.

Question for a Weber expert:

"Why Weber?" I like Webers, but why did the expert choose Weber as the focus of their attention?

"What makes a Weber a Weber?" Personally I think of Weber as a "step above" the rest. What gives it that little "extra"?

Basil Exposition
Basil Exposition Dork
6/24/14 9:30 a.m.
Hungary Bill wrote: Question for a Weber expert: "Why Weber?" I like Webers, but why did the expert choose Weber as the focus of their attention? "What makes a Weber a Weber?" Personally I think of Weber as a "step above" the rest. What gives it that little "extra"?

Now THAT's a good question. I often see SU's replaced by Webers on British machines, but then I hear that SU's are great carbs and the Webers have issues. So which is best and why?

windsordeluxe
windsordeluxe New Reader
6/24/14 9:50 a.m.

Tom, I think your article is great for GRM. I have wrenched for a few LeMons teams whose cars are carbureted and we have suffered as a result of lack of knowledge. I find plenty of info on tuning Holley carbs, but I'd like to know more about some of the common OEM stuff and what changes be made to improve them for the street or the track. Do heat shields work? Am I wasting time icing a carb on a car that refused to start? Why does my car "buck" at partial throttle. What about all the crazy stuff on emission-era carbs? What does this particular vacuum reading indicate? Is it lean or rich under full throttle? Despite the popularity of EFI, there are plenty of us out here who will benefit from the info.

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