I'm confused... (CP content)

In reply to 81cpcamaro:

I fail 15.8.A, I have lowering spindles on it.

Ranger50 wrote: In reply to 81cpcamaro: I fail 15.8.A, I have lowering spindles on it.

That would be legal in SM, as would a V8 swap.

Ian F wrote:

Ranger50 wrote: Geez... No wonder this category suffers. Rules that make about as much sense as tits on a boar hog.

Suffers? C-Prepared has one of the highest attendance numbers at Nationals and IIRC, the most out of all the Prepared classes. The rules make sense to me. I don't understand your confusion.

The number of cars attending one race in the entire year do not show the popularity of a class. Go to any of the regional GoodGuy's autocrosses and see how many cars show up for the Pro Touring class. Then go see how many Prepared cars, total, show up for a regional SCCA autocross. Make sense now?

DILYSI Dave wrote: That would be legal in SM, as would a V8 swap.

Street Modified Class (SM) Eligible Vehicles: All sedans/coupes (models which were originally equipped with a minimum of four seats and four factory seat belts).

Not going to happen with a regular cab PU.

Ranger50 wrote:

DILYSI Dave wrote: That would be legal in SM, as would a V8 swap.

Street Modified Class (SM) Eligible Vehicles: All sedans/coupes (models which were originally equipped with a minimum of four seats and four factory seat belts). Not going to happen with a regular cab PU.

Possible in SSM, if your truck has a listing in SP, then I believe it can run in SSM. Dave would probably know more on this.

Ranger50 wrote: No, not CP specifically, but all AX classes. I have a few mods to my Dakota that kick me out of Stock, but after that I have to jump into CP. Why can't there be weight provisions for certain mods?

Because how do you monitor weight? Scales at Tech? And folks bitch enough about tech taking too long as-is. The only guys who really worry about weight are building cars to the letter of the rules for a particular class for National competition.

Threads like this always turn into an SCCA-bashing-fest... somebody dreams up a build, then whines about how there's no auto-x class for it. And then further complains they don't really care about the rules and how they just want to run and have fun. If that's the case, then just run it in E-Mod. I don't get it.

Javelin wrote: The number of cars attending one race in the entire year do not show the popularity of a class. Go to any of the regional GoodGuy's autocrosses and see how many cars show up for the Pro Touring class. Then go see how many Prepared cars, total, show up for a regional SCCA autocross. Make sense now?

Not really. Prepared and Modified cars are basically full-on race cars. They are not "street" cars, nor are they meant to be. At the local level that will always keep the numbers low. Our region only sees one car from the time to time: the Kuglers' GP Honda, who are serious Nationals level competitors. Many of our really serious guys bring trailered cars - even couple in Stock class. I don't consider the lack of participation at the local level to be an accurate judge of class health.

Ian F wrote: I don't consider the lack of participation at the local level to be an accurate judge of class health.

It can be considered an indicator of the overall health of the sport though. If nobody shows up locally, how many are really going nationally? Just how are attendance numbers doing? These are the hard questions that nobody in the SCCA will ask, which is why so many other sanctioning bodies have popped up, and why they are doing so well (though I'm sure the rules have a lot to do with it as well).

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scardeal wrote:

Will wrote: I've been thinking about a CP engine build using a Chevy 5.3 aluminum block with a 4.8 crank, and bored out a bit to make 5.0 liters. That would earn a 300 pound weight break over engines >5.1 liters.

I thought of something similar, if I were ever to go down the CP path of insanity. Considering my current skillset, I'd have to team up with someone with lots of engineering/fabricating chops if I ever did. The crappy thing is that a 4.8 crank in a 5.7l ls1 block is something like 5.15 liters displacement. I think the intention was specifically to prevent that combination and only allow old 302 Fords and 305 Chevys (and, "unfortunately" your idea) to have the weight break. You have to choose between ~400-450hp and 2700lbs and perhaps up to 7-800hp and 3000lbs. These are my uneducated guesses...

See above, thats why he wanted to start with a 5.3L lsx.....

To Ranger.....

Just build what you want and then claim it in whatever class you want it in......as long as you're cool with your competitors, not dominating, and not a douche.....I doubt anyone would attempt to protest you(it takes 3 IIRC). Lets face it, going to Lincoln with a truck in CP wouldn't happen anyways.....aside from just for fun.

yamaha wrote: To Ranger..... Just build what you want and then claim it in whatever class you want it in......as long as you're cool with your competitors, not dominating, and not a douche.....I doubt anyone would attempt to protest you(it takes 3 IIRC). Lets face it, going to Lincoln with a truck in CP wouldn't happen anyways.....aside from just for fun.

Checked and noone runs any Prepared classes within the local region.

Never say never on a truck in CP.

Ian F wrote:

Ranger50 wrote: No, not CP specifically, but all AX classes. I have a few mods to my Dakota that kick me out of Stock, but after that I have to jump into CP. Why can't there be weight provisions for certain mods?

Because how do you monitor weight? Scales at Tech? And folks bitch enough about tech taking too long as-is. The only guys who really worry about weight are building cars to the letter of the rules for a particular class for National competition. Threads like this always turn into an SCCA-bashing-fest... somebody dreams up a build, then whines about how there's no auto-x class for it. And then further complains they don't really care about the rules and how they just want to run and have fun. If that's the case, then just run it in E-Mod. I don't get it.

You make it sound like I am asking you to teardown your motor with a caliper in hand and ready to measure. It's WEIGHT. Do a random spot check, draw numbers, flip coins, draw cards, etc for afterwards. If tech takes to long, you have too many berkeleying rules that tech officials are worrying about.

I'm not bashing, I am trying to find a spot for my vehicle to fit in after I already have modified it. As to the other, some people want the $2 trophy every time. Others want to have fun and not finish last EVERY TIME. It also shouldn't mean having to buy another car either.

Ian F wrote:

Javelin wrote: The number of cars attending one race in the entire year do not show the popularity of a class. Go to any of the regional GoodGuy's autocrosses and see how many cars show up for the Pro Touring class. Then go see how many Prepared cars, total, show up for a regional SCCA autocross. Make sense now?

Not really. Prepared and Modified cars are basically full-on race cars. They are not "street" cars, nor are they meant to be. At the local level that will always keep the numbers low. Our region only sees one car from the time to time: the Kuglers' GP Honda, who are serious Nationals level competitors. Many of our really serious guys bring trailered cars - even couple in Stock class. I don't consider the lack of participation at the local level to be an accurate judge of class health.

I agree and disagree. How do you even get to the big dance? I mean is it like NHRA with grading points? Time range? It is things like this that hurts the overall as well as the local.

Im not dissing the idea......my vote is to do what you want and claim street mod street tire......technically my subframe connectors on the '91 sho put me in cp.....but no one cares(even though its generally the fastest fwd in sms)

Ranger50 wrote:

yamaha wrote: To Ranger..... Just build what you want and then claim it in whatever class you want it in......as long as you're cool with your competitors, not dominating, and not a douche.....I doubt anyone would attempt to protest you(it takes 3 IIRC). Lets face it, going to Lincoln with a truck in CP wouldn't happen anyways.....aside from just for fun.

Checked and noone runs any Prepared classes within the local region. Never say never on a truck in CP.

There isn't any prerequisites for Nationals, if you want to go you can, just need to be a SCCA member. If you have never run a divisional or national tour, I would do that first to get a good feel for how it goes at nationals.

As for local stuff, get a co-driver and have your own CP class.