Woody
Woody SuperDork
4/13/10 10:47 a.m.

Last year, I decided to transform my low mileage, pampered sunny day, stock Miata into my new track day bitch. I decided to do everything at once (just like they tell you not to do): suspension, chassis upgrades, roll bar, brakes, tires, exhaust, etc.

In the course of installing gauges, I found that my Raptor shift light refused to work properly. This surprised me, as I had removed it from my old Miata (where it worked fine) and installed it exactly the same way into the other car. Both cars are '96's. The light's self test worked as it should, so I knew I had good power and ground. The problem seemed to be with the tach signal, although my factory tach is working fine. I sent the light back to Raptor to have it tested and they said it worked fine. I believe them.

To make a long story a little shorter, I bought a Porsche, hurt my shoulder and then pushed the Miata into the corner of my garage where it sat until this weekend. I made another attempt to install the light with no luck. I gave up on that, dusted off the car and went for a ride.

It idles fine and runs good at high rpm, but I noticed a bad misfire between about 1700 and 2000 rpm. I figured that it was probably old gas, so I went and filled it up and then took a few runs up and down the highway. Still the same problem. I'm starting to suspect that I am having an ignition issue that is not only making the car run poorly, but also confusing the shiftlight.

I made sure that the plug wires were making good contact, but that made no difference. The plugs and NGK wires have only about 10k miles on them, but they're also ten years old.

I plan to check the resistance of the wires, if I can find a spec for them, change the plugs, and check the timing. I thought I might have jumped the timing, but the car idles smoothly and runs great at high rpm, so I'm not sure.

I'll probably hook up the shiftlight and set it up for a three cylinder to see if it works, before doing anything else.

Any other suggestions that I should look into?

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iceracer
iceracer Dork
4/13/10 11:01 a.m.

Quit worrying about the shift light and find out what is causing the misfire. Which is more important ?

Armitage
Armitage Reader
4/13/10 11:04 a.m.

Could you possibly have introduced a short in the wiring when installing your shift light that is interfering with your tach signal and screwing around with the ECU?

skruffy
skruffy Dork
4/13/10 11:06 a.m.

Change the plug wires, they're bad.

Woody
Woody SuperDork
4/13/10 12:00 p.m.
iceracer wrote: Quit worrying about the shift light and find out what is causing the misfire. Which is more important ?

I'm not worried about the shiftlight, I was just going to use it as a diagnostic tool at this point.

Rusnak_322
Rusnak_322 Reader
4/13/10 12:25 p.m.

If you have a header, after a quick ride, spray each runner with some water and see if they all sizzle the same. If one is significantly cooler, you will be able to easily find it.

Woody
Woody SuperDork
4/13/10 12:35 p.m.
Armitage wrote: Could you possibly have introduced a short in the wiring when installing your shift light that is interfering with your tach signal and screwing around with the ECU?

No, I wired it to an open connector at the diagnostic port (the end of the wire). I have good continuity from there up to the connector at he instrument cluster.

Kramer
Kramer HalfDork
4/13/10 12:51 p.m.

Plug wires.

Woody
Woody SuperDork
4/13/10 2:09 p.m.

The resistance of the NGK plug wires is well within spec. So is the resistance at the coil packs.

Also, I should have mentioned: No Check Engine Light.

jstein77
jstein77 HalfDork
4/13/10 2:47 p.m.

Good DC resistance doesn't mean you can't have an insulation breakdown causing a short to ground at higher engine speeds.

bludroptop
bludroptop SuperDork
4/13/10 2:56 p.m.

You crushed it's soul when you bought the P-car.

I'll give you a case of beer and a box of Nilla Wafers for it, and see if I can rehabilitate the poor bastard's self-esteem.

(sorry-no real help here...)

John Brown
John Brown SuperDork
4/13/10 3:10 p.m.

I will up the offer to a bottle of Canadian Club, a case of Milwaukees best and a Philly cheese steak sammich.

Dashpot
Dashpot New Reader
4/13/10 3:25 p.m.
Kramer wrote: Plug wires.

Plugs & Wires.

Sofa King
Sofa King Reader
4/13/10 3:58 p.m.

Just in case no one has mentioned it... PLUG WIRES!!!

SVreX
SVreX SuperDork
4/13/10 4:05 p.m.

My Miata's a 5 cyclinder.

ValuePack
ValuePack HalfDork
4/14/10 12:37 p.m.

Plug wires. We think it's plug wires. Didja change the plug wires yet?

joey48442
joey48442 SuperDork
4/14/10 12:43 p.m.

These guys are all morons. I wonder why no one has suggested plug wires?

Joey

John Brown
John Brown SuperDork
4/14/10 1:57 p.m.

Ignition cables.

Woody
Woody SuperDork
4/14/10 7:35 p.m.
ValuePack wrote: Plug wires. We think it's plug wires. Didja change the plug wires yet?

No, but I ordered up some plug wires.

friedgreencorrado
friedgreencorrado Dork
4/14/10 8:04 p.m.

Aw, I got here too late to do a plug wires joke. Stupid berkeleying nazi bullBMW E36 yard work...

bluej
bluej HalfDork
4/14/10 8:25 p.m.

actually, it's not the plug wires, it's your wheels and rollbar, which i'll be happy to, umm, dispose of for you.

Woody
Woody SuperDork
4/20/10 3:33 p.m.

You're all wrong (but close!). It was a bad plug. Guess which one:

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scardeal
scardeal Reader
4/20/10 4:10 p.m.

Oooh... the one on the right.

Sparetire
Sparetire New Reader
4/20/10 5:30 p.m.

Why does it look like that?

Thats pretty messed up considering that from what I can see the electrode looks just like the others. I would check on the seal around that spark well.

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