triumphcorvair
triumphcorvair Reader
6/20/19 9:58 p.m.

I recently purchased some oval K&N filters but didn't buy any K&N sealing grease. (I never even heard of it until today).  Amazon has a 6oz tube for $12.95.  Can anything else be substituted like white petroleum jelly or something else?  K&N claims their sealing grease is heat and melt resistant. 

Floating Doc
Floating Doc SuperDork
6/20/19 11:40 p.m.

Never heard of it until right now.

EvanB
EvanB MegaDork
6/21/19 6:13 a.m.

Looking at the SDS it is just a petroleum grease. They don't say what kind of heat resistance it has but it shouldn't get too hot sealing an air filter. I would probably use some dielectric grease if you have it around, petroleum jelly might melt and run at too low of a temperature. 

Toyman01
Toyman01 MegaDork
6/21/19 6:42 a.m.

I have K&N filters in everything. Never heard of sealing grease. 

triumphcorvair
triumphcorvair Reader
6/21/19 6:57 a.m.

I did a search on several different forums regarding a substitute sealing grease. It's been a pretty mixed bag with some stating to use silicone grease and others saying to stay away from it since it messes up sensors. (My vehicle is a 65 Corvair so no problem there). Others are recommending white lithium grease.   The filters are expensive enough. I hate to spend money for what seems to be a 10 year supply of sealing grease.  I just don't want to use something that could erode the rubber seal on the filter itself. 

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
6/21/19 7:43 a.m.

Sealing grease.  Because the hose clamp isn't tight?  The rubber neck of the filter is poorly manufactured? The air inlet is an odd shape?  K&N knows there is a sucker born every minute?

triumphcorvair
triumphcorvair Reader
6/21/19 9:03 a.m.

There is no hose clamp. The filter is sandwiched between a flat top and flat bottom surface. 

Tom_Spangler
Tom_Spangler PowerDork
6/21/19 9:06 a.m.

Personally, I'd just give the wingnuts on top of those an extra half-twist and call it good. It's not like K&N filters are doing much filtering anyhow, so what's a little gap? laugh

Toyman01
Toyman01 MegaDork
6/21/19 9:08 a.m.

That's similar to the Abomination filter. I'm not using grease on it. It's pulls down pretty snug. 

 

triumphcorvair
triumphcorvair Reader
6/21/19 9:25 a.m.

Not disagreeing with you Tom, but for what these things cost, I expect them to perform better than a dialysis machine. indecision

Still a ways to go before installing as I'm rebuilding the carbs now. 

Appreciate the input. 

freetors
freetors Reader
6/21/19 9:40 a.m.
triumphcorvair said:

Not disagreeing with you Tom, but for what these things cost, I expect them to perform better than a dialysis machine. indecision

Still a ways to go before installing as I'm rebuilding the carbs now. 

Appreciate the input. 

The thing is they really don't filter that well. They let a lot of crap through and they simultaneously get plugged up faster. OEM paper filters in an appropriate size are actually very good nowadays.

Tom_Spangler
Tom_Spangler PowerDork
6/21/19 10:16 a.m.
freetors said:
triumphcorvair said:

Not disagreeing with you Tom, but for what these things cost, I expect them to perform better than a dialysis machine. indecision

Still a ways to go before installing as I'm rebuilding the carbs now. 

Appreciate the input. 

The thing is they really don't filter that well. They let a lot of crap through and they simultaneously get plugged up faster. OEM paper filters in an appropriate size are actually very good nowadays.

That's what I was really getting at. I think K&Ns have their place on track-only or show cars, but for something that's going to see daily duty out in the dust and grime for tens of thousands of miles, give me a good paper filter and change it often.

Here's another good tip I picked up from BITOG: The best oil filter is a good air filter.

triumphcorvair
triumphcorvair Reader
6/21/19 11:54 a.m.

Thanks for all of your input, all of which has been well received. 

I would have preferred a good paper filter element but I was somewhat limited in choice as these air cleaners were custom made. I'm happy with everything, just want to make sure I continue to move in a forward direction, so to speak. smiley

Knurled.
Knurled. MegaDork
6/21/19 3:18 p.m.
Streetwiseguy said:

Sealing grease.  Because the hose clamp isn't tight?  The rubber neck of the filter is poorly manufactured? The air inlet is an odd shape?  K&N knows there is a sucker born every minute?

It's amazing what dust will find its way through.

 

Every gasket surface gets a smear of grease or Right Stuff  depending on if it has to come apart again or not.

APEowner
APEowner Dork
6/21/19 3:54 p.m.

If I'm suspicious of the seal between the rubber and the end plates I use a light smear of wheel bearing grease.

I've read a bunch of the internet stuff about K & N filters but my own experiments and experiences leave me a fan.  I've seen them pick up power on the engine dyno over paper filters and I've never seen pre-mature ring wear that I could attribute to poor filtration in any engines I've used them on.  I have seen mass air flow sensors messed up from over oiled filters.  I've seen many K & N equipped engines run to more than 200k miles with no issues.

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