Specifically 2013-16 Ford fusion/Lincoln Mk 2.0L. They are cheap and powerful.....Think i want to put one in my 88 corolla fx with a 6speed manual.....Edit...Updated below a little.
Scratch the ecoboost....Ive decided on a supercharged e2.0 ecotec drivetrain out of a cobalt ss/saturn ion.
Pipe dream project :p Stuff a gen 2/3 coyote/6 speed in a samurai or similar frame and set FX body ontop and have the first 500hp V8 awd corolla fx......win win??? Would that be considered an FX32 GT?
Its direct injection, so there's no aftermarket computer option without spending mega $$$. Ford Racing used to sell a control pack for about $1700 but it's been discontinued now.
That leaves your only option being a stock Ford computer. Getting the computer from your one of the engine donors you mentioned means it's going to expect an automatic transmission and it's going to want everything on the Can network to be hunky dory. I suppose a stock Fiesta ST computer wouldn't expect the auto trans, but you'd still be dealing with Can headaches. So, even though the engines are cheap, you end up having to spend a bunch of time and money gathering parts from different vehicles and then sorting out the electronics.
The Ecoboost is basically just a direct injected Duratec 2.0/2.3/2.5 with a turbo on the side. For a swap, I'd strongly look at simply adding boost/fuel to one of those and tuning the factory computer. The list would just be Turbo stuff, bigger fuel injectors, larger MAF (maybe) and a plug and play aftermarket tune is custom handheld.
A manual trans from an 01-11 Ranger 4 cyl, an NC Miata, or an Ecoboost Mustang would all bolt up, but things like shifter placement and torque ratings probably mean the Mustang option would be the most suitable for a long and happy life behind something with Ecoboost torque.
Ford does still sell a 2.3l Ecoboost control pack if you want you splurge for an Ecoboost Mustang donor. That would give you the manual trans you want too.
Yeah i ve seen the control packs for sale several places but not sure i wanna spend that much on one. Also im FWD so ranger/mustang stuff wont work for me. The duratec 2.0s are super cheap altho most are pretty high milage. I think if i can source a used controlpack id be in business.
I’ve read that they seem to blow up for no good reason. My neighbors did.
Is it out of the question to delete the direct injection and use a sheet metal manifold with port injection? I don't know what your budget is but it would open up a whole new world of ecu options.
BEEFKING69 said:Yeah i ve seen the control packs for sale several places but not sure i wanna spend that much on one. Also im FWD so ranger/mustang stuff wont work for me. The duratec 2.0s are super cheap altho most are pretty high milage. I think if i can source a used controlpack id be in business.
Oh, for some reason I was thinking the AE86 went through 88, but I guess 87 was the last year. If you can track down a used, complete control pack then you might be in business. I wonder how many are actually out there? Still seems like a boosted Duratec/MZR would give you 90% of the Ecoboost performance with way less hassle. There are actually more options for things like turbo manifolds for Duratecs in a FWD layout than a RWD layout, so that option becomes more appealing to me knowing that you're FWD.
What are your plans for the manual transmission? Focus ST/ Fiesta ST/MazdaSpeed 3 trans or adaptor plate to something else?
Patientzero said:Is it out of the question to delete the direct injection and use a sheet metal manifold with port injection? I don't know what your budget is but it would open up a whole new world of ecu options.
Never say never, but it's a bad idea. Put the same effort toward a PFI 2.0/2.3/2.5l FWD powertrain, and you will end up with a better engine for the self tuner.
DI engines have pretty high compression for PFI and boost.
BEEFKING69 said:Specifically 2013-16 Ford fusion/Lincoln Mk 2.0L. They are cheap and powerful.....Think i want to put one in my 88 corolla fx with a 6speed manual.
What 6 speed manual would you bolt that up to?
alfadriver said:BEEFKING69 said:Specifically 2013-16 Ford fusion/Lincoln Mk 2.0L. They are cheap and powerful.....Think i want to put one in my 88 corolla fx with a 6speed manual.
What 6 speed manual would you bolt that up to?
Doesn't the Ford / Volvo M66 bolt right up as fitted to millions of C30/S40/V60 Volvo's and Euro Focii?
alfadriver said:BEEFKING69 said:Specifically 2013-16 Ford fusion/Lincoln Mk 2.0L. They are cheap and powerful.....Think i want to put one in my 88 corolla fx with a 6speed manual.
What 6 speed manual would you bolt that up to?
Wouldn't that bolt to an NC Miata transmission?
Ninja edit... I was thinking AE86 Corolla, not the fwd one. Umm, Focus ST trans?
Adrian_Thompson said:alfadriver said:BEEFKING69 said:Specifically 2013-16 Ford fusion/Lincoln Mk 2.0L. They are cheap and powerful.....Think i want to put one in my 88 corolla fx with a 6speed manual.
What 6 speed manual would you bolt that up to?
Doesn't the Ford / Volvo M66 bolt right up as fitted to millions of C30/S40/V60 Volvo's and Euro Focii?
Even if it did, I'm not sure that the 2.0l Turbo has the same bolt pattern of the older Duratec engine. They became different enough pretty quickly that the bell housing may have changed. I really don't know that answer. The era that is being asked about did have a reasonably new 6 speed auto (6F) attached to it.
Brotus7 said:alfadriver said:BEEFKING69 said:Specifically 2013-16 Ford fusion/Lincoln Mk 2.0L. They are cheap and powerful.....Think i want to put one in my 88 corolla fx with a 6speed manual.
What 6 speed manual would you bolt that up to?
Wouldn't that bolt to an NC Miata transmission?
Ninja edit... I was thinking AE86 Corolla, not the fwd one. Umm, Focus ST trans?
If you are going to do a Focus ST trans, then take the entire powertrain. Which means the cheap Fusion/ Escape/ Lincoln powertrain is then not part of the question. Seems to me Beefking is asking specifically about the cheap turbo engine.
Mazda 3s we're plentiful with the MZR engine and 6 speed. Won't have a limited slip, but also don't be paying the Focus ST tax.
There are lots of GM 2.0L turbo w/ 6 speed manual also.
Cobalt SS
Saab 9-3
Saturn Ion Redline
I'm unsure of limited slip
There were base model Focuses with 6 speed manuals too.
I've watched at least one run and drive focus st sell via iaai auction at $1750 or so. Add fees and you're a bit over $2k and I bet you could sell close to that in misc parts while keeping what you needed for the engine and trans to be usable.
Yes i was thinking focus 6speed....altho ive since heard they had syncro issues? Also read a build thread where a guy used a 2.3l control pack on his 2.0l powered sandrail because he couldnt find a 2.0 control pack. Ive also tossed around the idea of using a gm 2.0l but id prefer ford. If i could find a complete focus st that would be nice but i have no idea how to go about using the copart and iaai auctions.
STM317...The duratec 2.0/2.3 is kinda interesting also....they can be had for a couple hundred bucks altho most ive been seeing are pretty high miles......I wish i could give you guys a budget to go by but i really dont know how much im willing to spend till its spent ....I can get the fusion 2.0 for 5-600 bucks the focus 6 speed for around 600 which is good but then theres the control pack issue......lets just use the 2.3 pack since its been used in place of the discontinued pack its 1500 or so new and that im not exactly cool with and not very budget or GRM like. I mean i guess id still be under 3k but idk if thats good or bad.
I have a 95 f150 im coyote swapping and its not even gonna have but around 3 or 4k in it when finished but im also not using a control pack just a 2018 f150 harness and stock ecm thats been PATS deleted. Here another question to ponder on....If the 2.3 control pack runs a 2.0 then does anyone know of someone doin ecm work like the coyote guys are where they just delete the theft system and other non essentials to where i can just run a stock harness and ecm out of a donor car?.
Don't bother with the GM module. It won't be compatible what so ever- the 2.3 is light years closer, and has a much better possibility of working. But there tuners out there that may work on the 2.0l- similar to the 5.0l module change you are doing.
(on that note, expect more to have to change than just turning of PATS- by 2018, the number of modules in the truck and the expectation that they are all there..... it's getting less and less trivial to do that kind of swap)
For the module mod, PATS and the automatic transmission need to be turned off. And more than that, but I can't be specific given my job.
One other thing that should be mentioned is that I don't think any of the Ecoboost engines have come with power steering pumps, as those vehicles use various electric steering systems. That might be a hassle if you want traditional, hydraulic power steering.
Maybe a pump from a similar Duratec engine could be retrofitted, but I don't know if the provisions for that exist in the Ecoboost block/front cover or not.
You could run manual steering
Or you could mess with an electric steering setup, either from a power train donor, or something entirely different.
Its probably not a deal breaker, but it's one more thing to deal with.
Adrian_Thompson said:alfadriver said:BEEFKING69 said:Specifically 2013-16 Ford fusion/Lincoln Mk 2.0L. They are cheap and powerful.....Think i want to put one in my 88 corolla fx with a 6speed manual.
What 6 speed manual would you bolt that up to?
Doesn't the Ford / Volvo M66 bolt right up as fitted to millions of C30/S40/V60 Volvo's and Euro Focii?
No. The only "Duratec" the GETRAG/Volvo M66 bolts to is the five cylinder "Duratec" which was a Volvo whiteblock.
Ford probably stuck a Duratec name on the VR6 engines they got from VW, too...
STM317 said:One other thing that should be mentioned is that I don't think any of the Ecoboost engines have come with power steering pumps, as those vehicles use various electric steering systems. That might be a hassle if you want traditional, hydraulic power steering.
Maybe a pump from a similar Duratec engine could be retrofitted, but I don't know if the provisions for that exist in the Ecoboost block/front cover or not.
You could run manual steering
Or you could mess with an electric steering setup, either from a power train donor, or something entirely different.
Its probably not a deal breaker, but it's one more thing to deal with.
Next time I get a 2.0 Ecoboost powered thing in the building, I'll have a peek, but I'm fairly sure that the bosses for the power steering pump are still there on the head/timing cover, because the cars with electric steering have an idler pulley that bolts to the same location.
Whether the pump actually will clear the intake manifold is another matter.
I'd go for manual steering or electric power, myself. Because of where the pump is, the power steering lines are in the way of everything, just like a transverse VW.
Doh!!! I havent even thunked about powersteering.......but i could probably snoop around the the ranger threads etc and see what they are doing....If the pump bosses are on the motor that would be awesome...if not ill just run a volvo electric pump like im doin on the truck. The truck has been cheap mainly cause i took the donor engine harness, dash harness, instrument cluster and steering colum etc and just stuffed it all in my cab and im also running the 10 speed auto instead of a manual......whala easy peasy....ish and no overpriced control pack.
Are the focus and fiesta the only vehicles that used the 2.0 and manual trans? What 2,3 powered vehicles had a manual besides the mustang?
The Fiesta never had the 2.0.
You will find manual transmission Duratecs in Focuses (in both 2.0 and 2.3 form) and I could have sworn that I drove a manual trans 2.3l Fusion once. Also look in Mazda3s and Mazda6s.
Mustangs are rear drive, as are 'NC Miatas. Rangers also got Duratecs for a few years but their transmissions have the shifter coming out very far forward, and the ratios suck.
In reply to Knurled. :
The more common manual Fusion is actually the Milan. Which are still out there- just really rare. The most common FWD manual for a duratec is a Focus, by far. But all of those will be 5 speeds. The 6 was for the ST.
So, it probably doesn't help to suggest a super-unicorn, but the Zenos E10 S runs a FoST drivetrain in an otherwise really spartan vehicle. In interviews, they claimed they were working closely with Ford.
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