Learn me: cheapo tires for rAllycross.

http://m.discounttire.com/dtcs/searchTiresBySize.do?fl=&sortBy=prca&r=ORBINT%7Cpc%7C97759&ar=70&fqs=true&rd=14&cs=195

These are pretty dang cheap. How much hoonery can't one get away with? Particularly on medium gravel and snow.

I mean, will the 35$ bariums disintegrate on the first corner? It needs to be reliable. Performance can come second. Or even third.

70 series sidewall and a T speed rating. Hope you enjoy sidewall flex and debeading.

Just go buy some Altimax Arctics....in 14" size you're looking at like $50 each. They are the standard favorite for street tire classes.

On a related note, damn does DTD sell some WTF tires...it's like they just let the guy in the Chinese factory come up with names he thought sounded cool, even though he doesn't speak English.

"Arizonian Silver Edition III" (the first two were so successful, they made a third variant?)

"Arisun Aftershock XD"

"Veento G-2"

"Barum Brillantis 2"

"Barum Bravuris 3"

"Ohtsu FPO612"

"Laufenn G-Fit"

Hell, even the brand-name stuff sounds cheap. "Falken Sincera SN-828?"

The barum's are actually made in chekoslovakia. Some kinda poor euro trash tire. Better steer clear of that one...

Barum sponsors many stage rallies in eastern Europe. They're not a no-name company, just unheard of in the US.

irish44j wrote: On a related note, damn does DTD sell some WTF tires...it's like they just let the guy in the Chinese factory come up with names he thought sounded cool, even though he doesn't speak English. "Arizonian Silver Edition III" (the first two were so successful, they made a third variant?) "Arisun Aftershock XD" "Veento G-2" "Barum Brillantis 2" "Barum Bravuris 3" "Ohtsu FPO612" "Laufenn G-Fit" Hell, even the brand-name stuff sounds cheap. "Falken Sincera SN-828?"

New drinking game- Sexual device or import tire name?

Drink every time you choose incorrectly.

I like it

Check Craigslist for some snow tires. Those look like all seasons

Firestone Winterforces; the Swiss Army knife of the RallyCross tire world.

Compound is soft enough to work in the winter but hard enough that they won't get destroyed in the summer even on hard-packed surfaces. Tread pattern cleans out very well with lots of depth so they handle sloppy conditions like a champ. They're also available in a myriad of different sizes and are stupendously cheap.

We've used them on our Escort GT for numerous events and surfaces and have been very happy with the performance.

In reply to Matt_the_Wolfe:
About time you showed up here.

In reply to DeadSkunk:

I agree :)

RyanW wrote: Check Craigslist for some snow tires. Those look like all seasons

This is what I did. However don't go the blizzak route. Granted I got them for a really good price (under $200 and only used for one winter), one event on a hot hard surface and there is very noticeable damage to the tread. I believe Matt mentioned it might happen when he rode with me. He was right.

General Arctic Altimaxes are fan-friggin-tastic on my Miata. I regularly run 24-26 psi without any debeading issues and they're FAST.

Winterforces are also pretty solid if you can run tall tires, but I'd prefer the Generals. Also consider the General Grabber AT2 if you want something more truck instead of snow; they'll be slower but people have run them successfully in my region.

All really good info here. I found some iPIKES on c list, about 150$. 260$ for brand new altimax. Since they are going to disintegrate at some point anyways, I may as well go used right?

Kylini wrote: Also consider the General Grabber AT2 if you want something more truck instead of snow; they'll be slower but people have run them successfully in my region.

How well they'll do depends on the surface. I've seen a set on a Forrester with a good driver take fastest time of day a few times, beating good drivers on snows and rally tires by a decent bit.

In reply to Trackmouse:

Nokian options have come down in price a lot in the last few years, H speed rating or better makes for better turn in from a stiffer sidewall.

Nokian wrg3 in 185 65 14 for less than $90 each.

Enjoy the stiffer sidewall and more sporting tire.

Ok. I found a set of hankook w401's. 50$. The have studs in them. Any reason I couldn't run these?

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/wto/5733044873.html

In reply to Trackmouse:

Depends on your local events. SCCA rallycross doesn't allow studs unless there is snow on the ground.

Next question- how difficult to remove studs?

Matt_the_Wolfe wrote: Firestone Winterforces; the Swiss Army knife of the RallyCross tire world. Compound is soft enough to work in the winter but hard enough that they won't get destroyed in the summer even on hard-packed surfaces. Tread pattern cleans out very well with lots of depth so they handle sloppy conditions like a champ. They're also available in a myriad of different sizes and are stupendously cheap. We've used them on our Escort GT for numerous events and surfaces and have been very happy with the performance.

Having used both, I would strongly suggest Altimax Arctics over Winterforces. The Witnerforces work fine too but the Altimaxes have slightly stiffer sidewalls and better steering response with similar traction. They're a few bucks more but I'd consider them worth it. Just my opinion though. Either will work.

rslifkin wrote:

Kylini wrote: Also consider the General Grabber AT2 if you want something more truck instead of snow; they'll be slower but people have run them successfully in my region.

How well they'll do depends on the surface. I've seen a set on a Forrester with a good driver take fastest time of day a few times, beating good drivers on snows and rally tires by a decent bit.

One of the e30 teams locally ran a season with BFG A/Ts. They never came close to winning an event until the time that they borrowed by worn-down rally tires, and were substantially faster. The A/T tires have awesome tread life and traction, but I'd only suggest them if you have a high-power car or something that comes stock with larger-diameter tires (like an SUV), because they are REALLY heavy and don't come in quite as small sizes so could mess up your gearing.

Trackmouse wrote: Next question- how difficult to remove studs?