DaewooOfDeath wrote:
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
DaewooOfDeath wrote:
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
DaewooOfDeath wrote:
I heard that Kia Sportages, the first generation models, had a Mazda FE3. I've also heard FE3s kick ass. Does the Kia version also kick ass? Would it be that hard to make the Kia FE3/transmission work without the AWD?
Thanks,
Ben
The Kia version is ok. Depends on what you're going for. They were available in straight RWD, so there IS that.
The Kia version has different (weaker) pistons, and the cams aren't near as aggressive. The Mazda version can make up to 170hp, the Kia never comes close.
I would use one as a base that you can get easily, and then modify it to make it as strong as the Mazda version if it were me doing it. Beware, you MAY find yourself spending more money doing this than just buying the Mazda version, which is NOT expensive in the first place. You can get them for under $1000.
I'm just playing around with ideas. In the next couple years I want to build something nuttier than my Daewoo. Playing with the idea of a front engined Pontiac Lemans with RWD and some very aggressive ground effects.
I was originally planning on using a 1000cc bike engine, aiming for ~200 hp and shooting for a weight in the 1400 lbs neighborhood, but if I could use a Mazda FE3 hooked to a Kia tranny, 300 plus hp and 2200 lbs might fit my goals better.
Your posts on the FE3 just got me thinking.
The Kia variant might hit that number and stay together, i don't really know, to be honest. I WOULD at least put in the Mazda cams.
There's adapter plates that have been made to attach the FE3 to a Miata trans if that helps.
If the Japanese spec engines are that tough and that cheap I would just import one. Would the Mazda spec, FWD engines would bolt to the Kia tranny?
Digging around, it looks like the early Sportages used the transmissions out of the Bongo. Bongo's are about the easiest thing in the world to find for me ... hmm.
They should bolt to the Kia tranny, yes. Bear in mind you'll have to do some manifold trickery to get the FWD motor to work right in RWD config.
But again... i'd bolt it to a Miata trans. 
And yes, the Japanese spec motor is that much stronger. 600whp on stock bottom end is not unheard of.
Sorry I forgot about this thread...
I measured the F2T. From the bottom of the pan to the top of the timing belt cover, it's ~25-1/2". The intake manifold makes it much taller than that, but you'd be making a custom one to get it as short as possible.
I also measured an FET, for kicks, and it's a bit taller to the same point...About 26" or so.
Is the stock oil pan front or rear sump?
I should remember but I don't...You want me to go outside in the cold again???
It's front.
Timing belt side of engine.
Interesting that the FE3 is taller... they fit under the hood. Guess the F2T will as well.
I hope you didn't actually have to out in the cold. 
I need to get my hands on an F2T now. Thanks for measurements. I'll be comparing them against the Miata's engine bay in the morning.
Honestly, I'm don't think I could rationalize buying an FE3 when the F2Ts are so plentiful, and dirt cheap or free. They can make plenty enough power to have fun and I happen to like their sound and rorty character. Maybe it's one of those "devil you know" kind of things for me.
I would never swap a running F2T out for an FE3, that's for sure.
I mean... this would be suitably... "deadly" in a Miata, methinks.
http://youtu.be/2MdRsu5ZA6M
Oh, and whatever you do... don't watch the videos of the V6 Turbo Camry that shop has up on their youtube channel. Life will never be the same.
MG Bryan wrote:
I hope you didn't actually have to out in the cold.
I need to get my hands on an F2T now. Thanks for measurements. I'll be comparing them against the Miata's engine bay in the morning.
OK, I measured mine. Your turn.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
I mean... this would be suitably... "deadly" in a Miata, methinks.
http://youtu.be/2MdRsu5ZA6M
How are they keeping that stupid Type-H together with that much torque??
pres589 wrote:
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:
I mean... this would be suitably... "deadly" in a Miata, methinks.
http://youtu.be/2MdRsu5ZA6M
How are they keeping that stupid Type-H together with that much torque??
If you're spinning you aren't breaking.
Big turbo F2T cars RARELY destroy transmissions. It's almost always the stock or t-bird guys.
I know you had a bad experience or two with that transmission, but that's not exactly normal.
Bringing this one back...
MG Bryan:
Did you ever compare the F2T height to the space under the Miata hood?
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