Joshua
Joshua Reader
8/9/11 1:29 a.m.

Well I've owned my NA Miata for about five months now and have driven it more than any other car I've owned by a long shot. I love how tight and tiny it is, how carefree ownership is, the 37 mpg (when I'm nice to it), how it always attracts attention from girls (not entirely sure why yet) etc etc.

However, the Miata's only downfall is that it doesn't exactly accept bike racks. I want to be able to utilize roof racks for mountain biking, kayaking, and storage, but I can't because of the lack of a roof to mount them on. This leads me to think that a Mini Cooper S, which I absolutely love in the latter 06+ turbo form, would be a great, and greatly expensive replacement.

So, please tell me what you know about the turbo Mini Cooper S platform. I have driven it and love how it drives compared to the supercharged original.

I have gotten 37 mpg with my Miata, what gas mileage do Mini's see in the real world? (I drive similar to your grandma on normal commutes)

How reliable are they?

Being a BMW car, hownexpensive to repair are they? (I had a 1995 M3 and it was a nightmare to own, I switched to the Miata so I could enjoy carefree car ownership)

Are there any options I should absolutely stay away from?

Are there any options I should look for?

Is it best to buy used, CPO or new?

Are the 06 models okay, or are there some gremlins in them that were worked out in the later models?

I wish the Mini was RWD, I love RWD cars in the winter so much more than FWD. Are there any other cars that I am missing? I would buy an e30 but I don't know if I can drive anything that has a Roundel badge on it for a while after my M3, I know the Mini is basically the same but....anyway. I would love to own a Datsun 510 or some other RWD hardtop but they're impossible to find around here. So to pose my last question, is there a car that I haven't thought of that would fit my criteria?

jrw1621
jrw1621 SuperDork
8/9/11 3:00 a.m.

My old Rhode Gear Euro Shuttle.

Not mine:

Basil Exposition
Basil Exposition Reader
8/9/11 8:37 a.m.
Joshua wrote: Well I've owned my NA Miata for about five months now and have driven it more than any other car I've owned by a long shot. I love how tight and tiny it is, how carefree ownership is, the 37 mpg (when I'm nice to it), how it always attracts attention from girls (not entirely sure why yet) etc etc. However, the Miata's only downfall is that it doesn't exactly accept bike racks. I want to be able to utilize roof racks for mountain biking, kayaking, and storage, but I can't because of the lack of a roof to mount them on. This leads me to think that a Mini Cooper S, which I absolutely love in the latter 06+ turbo form, would be a great, and greatly expensive replacement. So, please tell me what you know about the turbo Mini Cooper S platform. I have driven it and love how it drives compared to the supercharged original. I have gotten 37 mpg with my Miata, what gas mileage do Mini's see in the real world? (I drive similar to your grandma on normal commutes) How reliable are they? Being a BMW car, hownexpensive to repair are they? (I had a 1995 M3 and it was a nightmare to own, I switched to the Miata so I could enjoy carefree car ownership) Are there any options I should absolutely stay away from? Are there any options I should look for? Is it best to buy used, CPO or new? Are the 06 models okay, or are there some gremlins in them that were worked out in the later models? I wish the Mini was RWD, I love RWD cars in the winter so much more than FWD. Are there any other cars that I am missing? I would buy an e30 but I don't know if I can drive anything that has a Roundel badge on it for a while after my M3, I know the Mini is basically the same but....anyway. I would love to own a Datsun 510 or some other RWD hardtop but they're impossible to find around here. So to pose my last question, is there a car that I haven't thought of that would fit my criteria?

I think you mean 07+ models, as the 06 were still supercharged.

I have a 2007 MINI Cooper S that I bought new. I've got about 54k miles on it now and it is my daily driver.

A very fun car to drive and to toss about. Has plenty of hp and the turbo is so smooth and cuts in so down low that there is no perceptible lag whatsoever. Major fun in the twisties.

It has been quite practicable, too, with the fold-down seats I'm able to haul a lot of stuff (biggest was a 3500 Watt gas powered generator).

Mine has been very reliable. I have had to have zero non-maintenance items repaired. There are some engine issues with these (see northamericanmotoring.com) that include timing chain noise and high pressure fuel pump failures. MINI will generally fix the timing chain out of warranty (though your experience will vary) and has extended the fuel pump warranty to 10 years. Besides a software update, there were no problems with my 07 that had to be ironed out in the later cars (of which I am aware). AFAIK, even the later ones have the engine issue. The warranty/free maintenance period was extended to 5 years/50,000 miles with later cars from the 3 yrs/36k on mine, but I think that was because BMW did that on all their cars.

Downside is that they are expensive to get repaired at the dealer. Generally BMW prices on labor and parts. A brake job will run you about $1000 (no joke). I hated going to the dealer I bought it from for service (Momentum in Houston), although I've heard others have had better experience with other dealers. Mine is out of warranty now and I do all the maintenance on it myself. Not that there is a lot. Oil changes, filter changes, brake fluid flush. I just changed out the spark plugs, which is a 60k maintenance item. I also used some Seafoam through the engine because these motors tend to get carboned up and get to running rough.

Mine is a flappy paddle auto. I would have got the stick, but this was my commute car and I couldn't stomach the idea of clutch-bumping in Houston traffic for two hours a day. Now I've moved to a smaller city and wish I had the stick. The flappy paddle thing is fun, though, and I use them a lot. Comes with a "sport" mode that changes up shift points and throttle response-- puts the fun back in the auto when driving hard.

I've also got the convenience package with bluetooth, built-in remote and some other stuff. Waste of money-- wife talked me into it. I've also got the auto climate control, but probably could have lived without it. Wish I had the leather seats, but they are very expensive on this car. A lot of the options are dress-up things that you can buy later and add-on, like the rear mirror covers. Moss Motors and others sell it on-line.

I get around 30 to 32 mpg going back and forth to work and I drive it like a maniac. The auto probably reduces mileage a little. I get 39 or so on the highway. Not a bad long distance car, despite what you might think. Wife drove it 1100 miles in two days with no complaints and she has a bad back.

Expect to go through tires about every 25k-30k miles, regardless of wear rating. The run-flats ride horribly and are ridiculously expensive to replace. I replaced mine with regular tires and carry a small compressor and a Dynaplug repair kit. I had had maybe two or three flats in my lifetime, so I guessed the odds would be with me. I've had three flats with this car since (not the fault of the car). Go figure. But the Dynaplug worked as advertised.

I'm quite happy with my MINI and don't regret buying it. I'm not sure I'll hold onto it as it gets the higher mileage, though, as the potential for BMW-type endurance and expensive repairs scare me. I think my next car will likely be a Miata .

Ian F
Ian F SuperDork
8/9/11 8:41 a.m.

R56 mileage seems to be pretty good. Better than the R50/53 for sure (which IMHO, was lousy for the engine size). I've heard of S owners getting well into the upper 30's in hwy driving.

I don't find MINI's terribly hard to work on and parts costs aren't too bad (comparible to most European cars).

I'd look for an earlier car with with a true LSD, vs. the electronic version that is only available now.

New vs. used. Hard to say... if you can find exactly what you want used, then great. However, when you start looking for specific performance oriented options (LSD,non-sunroof, etc), it may take some time. Here in the NY/NJ/PA area, we have a lot of dealers, so used MINI's are relatively common and prices tend to vary a lot depending on mileage. That said, when I go casually looking at MINI's now and then, I have a heck of a time finding one w/o a sunroof (which I personally hate with a passion).

All that said, it would be much cooler to make the Miata haul stuff as in the pics above.

ransom
ransom HalfDork
8/9/11 9:24 a.m.

Widen your search a bit?

I think apart from your Roundel phobia (not an issue I have), E30s are just too old to hope for carefree motoring at this point.

Hardly as nimble as a Miata or MINI, but what about something like a pre-2005 Mustang? Just wondering whether the mileage hit could be made up for in cheapness of purchase and parts. It does get you RWD. I've never lived with one, but keep thinking I'd like to try it out.

Can you have lived a full car-guy life without a proper V8/RWD car at some point? If only my '64 Ranchero had been running on more than six and a half cylidners, maybe I'd have this box checked already...

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe HalfDork
8/9/11 11:02 a.m.

Wife and I, plus both my parents have R56/7's. All 11's. S's. They have been fine so far about 20K miles between the lot of them with no mechanical failures.

I will say my Clubman has been the worst. I have the SS+ suspension and JCW wheels and its a punishing car to drive and it squeaks like mad. It is going back to the dealer again for squeak fix's. The others are all tight as a drum though. I can fit two road bikes on the roof pretty easy.

No idea if they still do it but we all have 0.9% financing. My wife's S with just xenon and the big stereo was I think 23K or so after a little negotiating which is darn cheap for the fun you can have with the car.

Basil Exposition
Basil Exposition Reader
8/9/11 11:10 a.m.
wearymicrobe wrote: I will say my Clubman has been the worst. I have the SS+ suspension and JCW wheels and its a punishing car to drive and it squeaks like mad. It is going back to the dealer again for squeak fix's. The others are all tight as a drum though. I can fit two road bikes on the roof pretty easy.

I test drove the S with the sport suspension and ran away. Teeth jarring! Especially with the runflats.

I also avoided going any larger than 16" with the wheels. No need to harsh up the ride even more when all you are getting are style points, if that.

I had some squeaks and rattles initially, as well, but the dealer fixed that up satisfactorily. None since.

Oh, and one more thing-- notoriously hard on windshields, I guess because it is so upright. I've got the original shield on my car and it has several bulls-eyes in it and it is annoyingly sandblasted-- really noticeable when it is bright outside or streetlights shine on it. I've been avoiding replacing it since I'm sure I'll get another chip the day after I do.

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe HalfDork
8/9/11 11:30 a.m.
Basil Exposition wrote:
wearymicrobe wrote: I will say my Clubman has been the worst. I have the SS+ suspension and JCW wheels and its a punishing car to drive and it squeaks like mad. It is going back to the dealer again for squeak fix's. The others are all tight as a drum though. I can fit two road bikes on the roof pretty easy.
I test drove the S with the sport suspension and ran away. Teeth jarring! Especially with the runflats.

Mine is so bad I am actually thinking of selling it. SS+, 17 JCW wheels with run flats and its a heavy beasty. The sunroof now squeaks as well starting last week. Its stiffer then my viper on aftermarket shocks.

Between the squeaks and the suspension I think that I am done. All the rest of ours do not have the sunroof and just the basic sports packs and they are great cars. My opinion buy a lower spec S without the roof and you will be much happier then the 38K$ mess of a car that I bought. (Mine was used with ~1.2K miles and nearly 10K off new cost)

Ian F
Ian F SuperDork
8/9/11 11:35 a.m.
wearymicrobe wrote: I will say my Clubman has been the worst. I have the SS+ suspension and JCW wheels and its a punishing car to drive and it squeaks like mad. It is going back to the dealer again for squeak fix's. The others are all tight as a drum though. I can fit two road bikes on the roof pretty easy.

If a MINI dosn't squeak and/or rattle, just wait... it will... I have yet to ride in one that doesn't... new or old... even better are the owners who will swear up and down their car is quiet... until I get in and point out every errant noise... Blind love seems to be great at perpetuating denial...

Hell, my '95 Dodge Cummins (w/ 263K miles) that was torn apart and put back together again by some hacks in western PA doesn't rattle as much as our '03 MCS with around 1/3 the miles...

So I wouldn't waste too much time taking it back to the dealer to fix squeaks. Sometimes you'll get lucky and they'll find something obvious... other times it's just the way that car will be.

pigeon
pigeon Dork
8/9/11 12:37 p.m.
wearymicrobe wrote:
Basil Exposition wrote:
wearymicrobe wrote: I will say my Clubman has been the worst. I have the SS+ suspension and JCW wheels and its a punishing car to drive and it squeaks like mad. It is going back to the dealer again for squeak fix's. The others are all tight as a drum though. I can fit two road bikes on the roof pretty easy.
I test drove the S with the sport suspension and ran away. Teeth jarring! Especially with the runflats.
Mine is so bad I am actually thinking of selling it. SS+, 17 JCW wheels with run flats and its a heavy beasty. The sunroof now squeaks as well starting last week. Its stiffer then my viper on aftermarket shocks. Between the squeaks and the suspension I think that I am done. All the rest of ours do not have the sunroof and just the basic sports packs and they are great cars. My opinion buy a lower spec S without the roof and you will be much happier then the 38K$ mess of a car that I bought. (Mine was used with ~1.2K miles and nearly 10K off new cost)

If you like the car other than the rough ride I bet you'd be able to make money selling the stock SS+ suspension and JCW wheels and putting on a good aftermarket sport suspension and lightweight 16" wheels - at the very least you'd likely be in a better position than taking the depreciation hit of selling it and buying something to replace it.

bluesideup
bluesideup Reader
8/9/11 1:01 p.m.

Do Minis have a build tag or something like Porsches so you can tell if it has LSD without putting it up in the air or driving it? We had an '06 S and I can't recall finding a tag.

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe HalfDork
8/9/11 1:12 p.m.
pigeon wrote:
wearymicrobe wrote:
Basil Exposition wrote:
wearymicrobe wrote: I will say my Clubman has been the worst. I have the SS+ suspension and JCW wheels and its a punishing car to drive and it squeaks like mad. It is going back to the dealer again for squeak fix's. The others are all tight as a drum though. I can fit two road bikes on the roof pretty easy.
I test drove the S with the sport suspension and ran away. Teeth jarring! Especially with the runflats.
Mine is so bad I am actually thinking of selling it. SS+, 17 JCW wheels with run flats and its a heavy beasty. The sunroof now squeaks as well starting last week. Its stiffer then my viper on aftermarket shocks. Between the squeaks and the suspension I think that I am done. All the rest of ours do not have the sunroof and just the basic sports packs and they are great cars. My opinion buy a lower spec S without the roof and you will be much happier then the 38K$ mess of a car that I bought. (Mine was used with ~1.2K miles and nearly 10K off new cost)
If you like the car other than the rough ride I bet you'd be able to make money selling the stock SS+ suspension and JCW wheels and putting on a good aftermarket sport suspension and lightweight 16" wheels - at the very least you'd likely be in a better position than taking the depreciation hit of selling it and buying something to replace it.

Carmax is giving me darn near exactly what I paid for it and my father is taking the JCW wheels for a few bucks. I am going to eat the taxes, they also just bought my Prius that I no longer use for work for 21K, I paid like 20.2K for it during the whole Prius crisis.

I have maybe 80K or so to spend on a single daily driver in the next week or so. Been test driving stuff but nothing has really caught my eye yet. Thinking of going back to a 750i or fining a decent used BGT

Joshua
Joshua Reader
8/10/11 1:06 a.m.

So there seems to be a lot of mixed reviews going on here. From what I gather they are squeaky, rattly, efficient, fun cars?

Ian F
Ian F SuperDork
8/10/11 6:54 a.m.

Pretty much.

Despite being owned by BMW, MINI's stay pretty true to their British heritage. R53's, for example, seem to leak oil like a a proper British car should...

Faults aside, my g/f loves her '03 MCS to death and has no plans to replace it any time soon (unless she gets some windfall of $ and can buy a Cayman - which is about the only current car she's remotely interested in as she dislikes the R56) and our '07 Cooper 'vert serves its purpose well (occasional w/e car and back-up DD for me).

wearymicrobe
wearymicrobe HalfDork
8/10/11 5:35 p.m.
Joshua wrote: So there seems to be a lot of mixed reviews going on here. From what I gather they are squeaky, rattly, efficient, fun cars?

Right no the nose.

Really fun for a front wheel drive car though. Kind of wishing that someone takes the 4wd parts of the countryman and makes a RWD mini.

LainfordExpress
LainfordExpress Reader
8/10/11 5:50 p.m.

I bought a new 2011 in June. I really like it. Sometimes (especially as I'm starting to seriously consider going back to school for a PhD) I wish I'd gotten something else (used).

Only one really tiny issue so far: the lower chrome trim was incorrectly attached and is coming loose. I've been waiting for the dealer "to order the parts" but it is taking way long. Reminds me that I need to call them tomorrow.

Joshua
Joshua Reader
8/11/11 9:45 a.m.

I see, the "local" Mini dealer is about 4 hours away so any warranty work would be a real hassle.

Joshua
Joshua Reader
8/13/11 9:50 a.m.

Is it worth considering the R53's too or should I stick to the R56's?

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