DrBoost
DrBoost PowerDork
4/2/13 7:30 a.m.

Just got my first TDI a few weeks ago. The previous owner installed "European headlights and Euro headlight switch" but that's all I know. I found some installation instructions (French) in the glove box. They were from Bosch, so that's a good sign that they are good quality.
The light pattern sucks, but I think they were aimed to help the guys working on the International Space Station, not to light the roadway. I have got them closer to where I'd expect them to be, haven't gone through the work of marking off the points on my garage door to aim them properly.
The real issue I have, and the one I'm hoping you can help me with is, what bulb is supposed to do what? Basically, I have don't have high-beams or fog lights. Here's what I have:

Am I right with the bulbs I think should be high-beam and the fog?
I poked around just a little and didn't see any wiring splices or jumper harness so it looks like it was a quality plug and play affair so what could have been done wrong? What's with the "Euro headlight switch"? It looks just like any other one I've seen at the junk yard or in pics. I don't have rear fogs either, though I do have the indicator on the dash.

I know this is a long post, and I hope it makes sense. If I know what bulb does what I think I can use that info along with a test light and multimeter to make this work.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo UltimaDork
4/2/13 7:38 a.m.

At a glance, looks like you have everything marked right. Just put 12v and a ground to what you can and see what you can make happen. A bright vs low isn't hard to distinguish. Yes thats a fog and a running LED lamp. Goofy ass turn signal. I hope there is one on the quarter, too.

HappyAndy
HappyAndy Dork
4/2/13 7:41 a.m.

I don't know anything about your lights in particular, but some lights won't aim correctly, or make a proper beam if the wrong bulb is used, so you might want to double check that. You probably already know this, but just because a bulb fits in the socket, that doesn't automatically make it the correct bulb.

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
4/2/13 8:47 a.m.

the little lamp in the high(main) beam should be a city lamp. It is enough to illuminate the lamp but not enough to blind people. It's main use was in the tight confines of European cities were the use of bright headlights was not allowed.

You have the Main(high) and lows marked out properly, the fog is correct, but I think you can use the turnsignal as a parking lamp as well.

DaveEstey
DaveEstey SuperDork
4/2/13 9:03 a.m.

I bet they're aimed left instead of right. Remember they drive on the wrong side of the road over there, so the lamps are offset opposite of ours.

SyntheticBlinkerFluid
SyntheticBlinkerFluid UberDork
4/2/13 9:15 a.m.
DaveEstey wrote: I bet they're aimed left instead of right. Remember they drive on the wrong side of the road over there, so the lamps are offset opposite of ours.

Well, they only drive on the wrong side of the road in the UK, which brings up the same question, are they off a UK car? That would screw everything up.

DrBoost
DrBoost PowerDork
4/2/13 9:18 a.m.

Thanks for the info guys. What amazes me is that I posted that exact post on tdiclub.com. They would know something about VW's I would assume. 24 hours and almost 100 views later...nothing. Here, I get a response in 8 minutes and 4 of them in about 90 minutes.
I'm starting to like this forum.

Mad_Machine, thanks. I wonderes what the heck those lights were for since they don't really do much.
And inresponse to N Sperlo, yeah, there are lights on the fenders as well.

SCARRMRCC
SCARRMRCC Reader
4/2/13 9:37 a.m.

I cannot see any pics (whatever site you are using blocked here at work) but I can tell you some things:

1.you have your lights correctly marked.

  1. if they are TRULY eurospec, they are not actually legal for use in the US, because they are made to add more light to the left side than the right. (as here in the US, the right side is where the signs are, and in eurospec, they are opposite)

  2. just because the bulbs blug in, does not make them quality... source: I have bought many a cheap ebay brand, for gutting and retrofitting projectors in. (they have good outer lenses and mounting points.. so they are great to gut to put good projectors inside of)

Hal
Hal Dork
4/2/13 2:38 p.m.
DrBoost wrote: What's with the "Euro headlight switch"? It looks just like any other one I've seen at the junk yard or in pics. I don't have rear fogs either, though I do have the indicator on the dash.

The "Euro headlight switch" and the rear fog indicator are probably tied together. When the Focus guys put a "euro" rear bumper on with the rear fog light they need a "Euro light switch" to make the rear fog work.

My 2010 Transit Connect has rear fogs that are turned on by pulling out on the headlight switch. Later years had the front fogs available so the light switch has 2 stops when you pull it out. The first stop is the front and the second is front and rear.

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
4/2/13 3:40 p.m.
SCARRMRCC wrote: 2. if they are TRULY eurospec, they are not actually legal for use in the US, because they are made to add more light to the left side than the right. (as here in the US, the right side is where the signs are, and in eurospec, they are opposite)

their signs are not on the left. I have E-code lights on my Ti.. they throw more light to the right side (the cut off allows a big spike up on the right to illuminate the signs) the only way these lights would throw light to the left (and into driver's eyes) would be if they are UK code lights.

And Doc.. I wired the city lights on my Ti up to the parking lights..

fidelity101
fidelity101 HalfDork
4/2/13 3:43 p.m.
N Sperlo wrote: Yes thats a fog and a running LED lamp. Goofy ass turn signal. I hope there is one on the quarter, too.

Wrong. Thats a PES lens, Projector Elipsoid System. LEDs can use the same PES cover lens and you will see that in future vehicles (2014/5) being released will have LED headlamps but you will still see that PES lens cover. HIDS/Xenons use the same thing (GDHL aka Gas Discharge Head Lamp)

DaveEstey wrote: I bet they're aimed left instead of right. Remember they drive on the wrong side of the road over there, so the lamps are offset opposite of ours.
DaveEstey wrote: I bet they're aimed left instead of right. Remember they drive on the wrong side of the road over there, so the lamps are offset opposite of ours.

Yeah different sides of the roads and different regulations, CCC (china) ADR (russia) ECE (europe) SAE (USA/Canada)

FYI: I work for an automotive exterior lighting supplier. I deal with this crap every day

DrBoost
DrBoost PowerDork
4/2/13 3:51 p.m.

In reply to Hal: Yeah, that's how mine works, two detents. Same as my old Benz. The second detent is when the indicator comes on. I know that's a euro vehicle code. Must have an indicator for the rear fogs.
In reply to Mad_machine: Yup. I've noticed a very defined spike on the right side of the road, very defined. I was thinking of wiring the city lights as my DRL's just because I hate DRLs.
In reply to fidelity: What's a PES? You mean it's an incandescent bulb with a groovy lens being used as a parking light?

SCARRMRCC
SCARRMRCC Reader
4/2/13 4:06 p.m.

In reply to mad_machine:

E-code IS UK.

but, I was mistaken, as Ecode severely limits the light upwards.. (and from everything I can tell, is just plain better than DOT. and has nothing to do with left or right (it is Japanese spec lights that have a sharp uptake on the beam.. and that is on the right. My bad)

also, back to Dr. Boost I found this:

http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/a4/ecode-headlights.htm

peter
peter HalfDork
4/2/13 6:51 p.m.

Lots of confusion here.

Very simply:

Does not apply to countries that drive on the left.

I thought I had done a decent job of aiming my Miata's lights when I installed E-codes. Turned out I was way high. Properly aiming them made a big difference, especially in the high beams. Might be worth it to do the measuring tape thing.

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
4/2/13 8:50 p.m.

Thank you Peter.. that was exactly what I was talking about. That is an E-Code beam. A UK code beam would be reversed.

DrBoost
DrBoost PowerDork
4/2/13 9:01 p.m.

Scarrmrcc: Thank you, thank you, a thousand times thank you. I just glanced at it, but it looks like it's just what I need.
Peter: Yup, I must have the E-Codes. That uptick on the right looks like what I see on my garage door, and the fact that I see signs on the side of the road like never before.
Thanks all.

And I'd just like to reiterate how useful this forum is. 100 views on a forum dedicated to the car I have and nothing. Here, look at what I get.

mad_machine
mad_machine MegaDork
4/2/13 9:03 p.m.

I don;t know why we don't get E-code lights here. They blind drivers less with more light on the road itself.. but you can still see signs. Seems like a real win/win situation to me

moparman76_69
moparman76_69 HalfDork
4/2/13 9:17 p.m.
mad_machine wrote: I don;t know why we don't get E-code lights here. They blind drivers less with more light on the road itself.. but you can still see signs. Seems like a real win/win situation to me

European countries require lights on their overhead signs. DOT does not. This means DOT lights have to throw light up to reflect off overhead signs.

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