Ian F
Ian F PowerDork
7/26/13 8:17 a.m.

As I've been pondering potential replacements for my E30, I've been thinking of maybe a WRX wagon. Now that I'm single again, I can look at Japanese cars without annoying bitching.

I could swear there was a GRM buyer's guide for the WRX, but I can't seem to find which issue it was in.

The main criteria would be:

  • 4-season back-up DD to my TDI with reasonable practicality (w/o having to resort to a trailer - I like transporting my bikes inside the car).
  • good autocross car - assume prep for STX (exhaust, coilovers, etc, but no major power mods). I can deal with it not being "the" car to have, but running an absolutely crap car like the E30 was no fun at all.
  • potential rallycross car.
  • reasonably reliable (which the E30 has been anything but)
  • about a $10K budget (the asking prices for WRX wagons are kinda shocking )

Thoughts?

SilverFleet
SilverFleet SuperDork
7/26/13 8:26 a.m.

What year are you looking to buy? They all have their quirks depending on the year. I can help!

Ian F
Ian F PowerDork
7/26/13 8:33 a.m.

Going by my budget and the prices I've seen, probably in the 2004 range, give or take.

Ojala
Ojala HalfDork
7/26/13 8:38 a.m.

$10k and you are looking at an 04-05 wrx or saabaru. All things being equal the saabaru will be a bit cheaper. Most wrx tend to be modified in some manner. I like to see aftermarket silicone turbo inlets but not cold air intakes(too often there can be downsides). I don't like bov whether they be vent to atmosphere or partial vent. If its not stock ask what rom they have flashed to the ECM- if they don't know-run.

Check lower control arms, rear wheel bearings, turbo inlet for cracks, leaking endtanks on the radiator, fuel leak on the passenger side under the manifold. Gunk bulbs up at the back bottom of the front wheel well. Paint chips kinda easy. Interior is kinda cheap feeling but fairly durable.

SilverFleet
SilverFleet SuperDork
7/26/13 8:54 a.m.

Ok, the 2002-03 "bugeye" and the 2004-05 "blobeye" WRX's are very similar mechanically. They will have the 2.0L EJ20T motor.

-Look for evidence of previous mods. This is VERY IMPORTANT with these cars. These cars do not like traditional cold air intakes (they will ruin lean), atmospheric vent blow-off valves (they will dump fuel), manual boost controllers (will screw with the fuel map), and other typical mods that other cars like Hondas and DSM's, work with. Look at the exhaust system and check if there is new hardware or aftermarket parts, which is evidence that someone was messing with the car.

Smell for coolant too under the hood. The very first WRX I looked at way back in 2005 once had a different turbo in it. I could smell coolant when opening the hood, and sure enough, there was a new coolant feed line on an old turbo.

-The transmissions have a bad reputation for being "glass transmissions", or that they break easily. I had a 2002 wagon that I drove with "Stage 2" mods and raced it occasionally and I never had an issue. Just don't drive like a meathead and you will be fine. Put good fluid in there and you shouldn't have an issue. Do not use Mobil 1 gear oil though, as their additives are not compatible with the synchros used in the stock 5-speed and will cause binding. I learned that the hard way.

-Other driveline components, like the rear differential, should be stout enough to take abuse. Regular WRX's have the R160 limited slip rear diff. Only issue I had with my 2002 is that at approximately 62mph it would whine. It was due to weird harmonics in the housing, and I believe the later ones don't have this issue.

-On your test drive, try to load up the rear a bit and shift aggressively a few times. If the rear diff clunks, you will need to get rear subframe bushings as well as rear diff dogbone mount bushings. They are easy to do, and stiffen up the rear of the car quite a bit. I recommend the Kartboy stuff. They are affordable and proven.

-They make all sorts of suspension bits for these to outfit your car to whatever goals you want to achieve. You want to do autox? They make everything you could ever want and then some. Lots of great companies make springs, sway bars, braces, and other things. If you get a wagon, invest in a bigger rear sway bar and possibly a rear strut tower bar. My wagon had a great setup: I had the STI "pink" wagon springs (bought right from the Subaru dealer), Tokico D-Spec adjustable struts, a 2002 WRX sedan 20mm rear sway bar, and an eBay STI-replica rear strut tower bar. The car handled incredibly well.

-Look for rust in the front control arms. They have a tendency to rust there. Wagon ones and sedan ones are different. Check the rocker panels too. I've seen them rot there as well.

-I'd install some gauges. WRX's don't have much for gauges, and with how finicky they can be, you should have them. I had an EGT, oil pressure, and boost gauge in an ATI clock pod on the dash. I'd spring for some high quality gauges. I had Prosport gauges in my car, and they were a bit flaky, especially the EGT.

-For the brakes, they are pretty standard with the integral parking brake drum-style rear discs. There are lots of upgrades out there, but I had a very simple and effective setup in mine. Stock calipers, Hawk HPS pads, regular "blank" rotors, stainless steel braided brake hoses, and ATE Super Blue fluid. To this day, they were the best brakes I have had in any car.

-These cars are easily tuned. This is a great thing, but can also be a bad thing too. If the car has a bad tune or a tune for mods the car doesn't have, it could lead to issues. I'd invest in a Tactrix cable or make friends with someone who has one. It's cheaper than the popular Cobb Accessport and you can do more with it. They are great for data logging too. I'd do an off-the-shelf "stage 1" tune to start because it cleans up the fuel map and is probably safer than the stock map!

-I'm pretty sure that in either 2004 or 2005, Subaru switched to the non-catted exhaust up-pipe. If it has a cat on it, swap it for a non-catted one. Just like Nissan Sentra SE-R's from the early 2000's, the cat material can break up and back feed into the engine (and turbo) and cause issues. And if you replace it, don't cheap out. The cheapo flex joint ones can cave in and fall apart too!!! You will have to tune out the factory EGT light, which you can do with a Tactrix cable or Accessport.

-These are very sensitive to whatever oil you use. Don't go over the oil change intervals with these, and run a reputable full synthetic oil. I ran Shell Rotella 5w40 full synthetic meant for diesels. I ran at elevated boost levels for over 60k miles with no issues.

-Interiors for the 04-05 cars are generally nicer than the 02-03 cars. Not much to really look out for, and I suggest upgrading the stereo. The stock receiver is TERRIBLE, and it's a very easy upgrade.

-If you are buying a manual-equipped car, invest in the Kartboy short shifter kit and bushings. It makes a world of difference.

Did I miss anything? Let me know if you have any other questions.

Ojala
Ojala HalfDork
7/26/13 8:59 a.m.

^ good combo, only difference on my current car is I went with Koni inserts.

Ian F
Ian F PowerDork
7/26/13 9:12 a.m.

Thanks. In general, unless I know the owner I'll probably avoid a car with any mods at all unless it's well documented the car was prepped specifically for STX (in general, I've noticed autox-specific cars are built avoiding "fluff" mods). Coming from MINI's, mods reduce the value of a car, despite what owners want to believe.

Ojala
Ojala HalfDork
7/26/13 9:40 a.m.

If the intake tract to the turbo is all stock check it VERY carefully for leaks. This is one area where an aftermarket part can be desirable. The stock turbo inlet hose is very prone to cracking and leaking.

fanfoy
fanfoy HalfDork
7/26/13 9:59 a.m.

I'll add that it's not only the control arms that rust (if they do, you can replace them with fancy STI aluminum arms), but also the front sub-frame. On my "rust-free" Saabaru, the sub-frame was the worst part, and there is no way of telling unless you remove the front under-tray and pock around a little.

Silverfleet covered the rest pretty well.

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 UltraDork
7/26/13 10:12 a.m.

I have a mint 02 wagon you can have for less than your budget. Needs a wheel bearing :)

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 UltraDork
7/26/13 10:12 a.m.

I have a mint 02 wagon you can have for less than your budget. Needs a wheel bearing :)

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy UltraDork
7/26/13 11:47 p.m.

Buy a 2004-2008 Forester XT instead =)

turtl631
turtl631 New Reader
7/27/13 7:45 a.m.

^ this. You get the 2.5L engine and a nice boxy storage area, most of the rest is basically the same. Cost is more reasonable than wrx wagon. And you can get nice heated leather seats and a giant sunroof. I had one with the 4EAT auto because wife doesn't drive stick...ugh. eventually popped the engine and moved on to a Mazda 3 skyactiv hatch for our main vehicle, but I miss the FXT at times.

fanfoy
fanfoy HalfDork
7/27/13 8:25 a.m.

A Forester XT is not a bad idea. They can even look good.

Ian F
Ian F PowerDork
7/27/13 9:06 a.m.

Hmm... thought about those... I've seen one around work that appears to have a bunch of STi-type mods done. Lowered, Brembos, cat back. I'll add them to the search list.

I have to admit, one reason I've been thinking of a Subie (besides have owned one in the past), is I just love the sound of that engine with an aftermarket exhaust.

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