Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
7/12/23 11:43 a.m.

Here's the scoop:

My 1990 Ford E250 Camper Van does a good job; it's a bit underpowered (weighs 7300lbs) but it does what it needs to. BUT...

My wife and I were discussing it and we don't use the RV features so we are considering a going with a conversion/custom van as those have some comforts for hanging out at the track......BUT

There are not a lot of them at GRM Hive prices..............read loads of them at 40K plus. Note the current van is likely worth 8-10K.

This got me thinking well what about a mini-van? Note the most I tow is 2400lbs (1600lb Datsun on 800lb trailer).

So for those of you who've used both which did you prefer? I like the thought of the extra space in the full size van but realize it might not be as much as I think it is.

  

 

 

racerfink
racerfink UberDork
7/13/23 12:01 a.m.

My dad had an Astro van that we pulled a J24 sailboat, and an ITC Corolla around with.  Worked very well, but, they don't make the Astro anymore.

My SCCA district governor pulls his FV around with a Dodge Caravan, but I'm not sure is the FWD would work out well with an extra 1300lbs~ to tow for you.

triumph7
triumph7 HalfDork
7/13/23 12:28 a.m.

An F600 will fit IN a Dodge ProMaster

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
7/13/23 7:22 a.m.

My experiences...

 

I towed this combo for about an hour plus of highway driving.  It was adequate.
For my trip, I had nothing else in the van other than myself and my young daughter in a booster seat.  I would say that I kept my speeds under 70 mph because the load generally felt more comfortable there.  

 

My other option is to tow with the Ole Gov't Mule.  Even with just the base 5.4L engine this towing combo was effortless.  

 

Even worse than towing with the Minivan was the one time I tow dollied a Toyota Avalon with my old Montero.  The Montero is generally an underpowered vehicle to begin with though rated to tow 5,000lbs.  This really hits the max of its capabilities.  My trip of an hour was all two lane, flat roads but any touch of the throttle caused a downshift which therefore required that I keep the transmission down a gear at all time.  

 

So, my recommendation is, yes, a Minivan can do the job but know the limitations.  I think you will be limited as to how much additional weight you can bring with you in the cabin of the van.  Do you typically bring a lot of tools and spares to the track?  

Also, I think I have this right but on the Mopar vans, in 2012 they went to the 300hp, 3.6L engine.  You'll want that.  Then in 2014 they went to larger front brakes...you'll want those too.  I think a earlier van can be easily junkyard updated to the big brakes...or just order the bigger rotors and calipers.  That then means 2012 and do upgrades or 2014 and its all there.  

See the last posting on page 1 and into page 2 of this thread for some words on what doesn't come with the stripped Grand Caravan known as the American Value Package.

 

In my Grand Caravan thread I had posted this info I found on a Canadian website:

The trailer tow capacity of all models of Caravan and T&C is a Max. of 3600 lbs. 

It breaks down as follows: 

  • 3600lb + 2 persons + 50 lbs. luggage ea.
  • 3350lbs + 3-5 people +50lbs luggage ea
  • 3000lbs + 6-7 people + 50 lbs luggage ea   
  • (Single person weight = 150lbs.  luggage est  50lbs/person or… occupant and luggage weight of 200 lbs) 
  • Transmission fluid change if towing is 104k. (this may be kms not miles or about 65k miles)

In slight contradiction, Curt, my trailer hitch manufacturer, lists the capability of their hitch at 4000 pound and 400 pound tongue weight

 

In my Grand Caravan thread, another GRM'er shared his set up and says he is very happy with it.  This a equally small car as yours and a very small trailer

jmabarone
jmabarone Reader
7/13/23 7:27 a.m.

'02 E350 V10 pulled ~5k pounds of trailer, race car, and spares to Daytona and back without breaking a sweat.  Trailer didn't have brakes either, and it still did great.   Our new E350 ('08 V8) has MUCH bigger rear brakes and I think will be just as capable.

I pulled my RX7 home behind our '04 Odyssey (added a transmission cooler prior to this) with a tow dolly roughly 20 miles on backroads.  Probably would have pulled better on the main roads, but I wasn't sure about braking performance on the van+car combo.  

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 PowerDork
7/13/23 8:45 a.m.
jmabarone said:

'02 E350 V10 pulled ~5k pounds of trailer, race car, and spares to Daytona and back without breaking a sweat.  Trailer didn't have brakes either, and it still did great.   Our new E350 ('08 V8) has MUCH bigger rear brakes and I think will be just as capable.

I pulled my RX7 home behind our '04 Odyssey (added a transmission cooler prior to this) with a tow dolly roughly 20 miles on backroads.  Probably would have pulled better on the main roads, but I wasn't sure about braking performance on the van+car combo.  

I've always wondered modifying an Odyssey with a Ridgeline/Pilot AWD system would make it the ultimate raceday hauler. Juice wouldn't be worth the squeeze but it would be cool. I'm in shock the new MDX Type-S needs a trans cooler and other add-ons to be capable of towing what it's Pilot counterpart is rated for. 

 

Tom1200
Tom1200 PowerDork
7/15/23 6:47 p.m.

So we did some more talking amd pretty much came to the same conclusions drawn here.

The campervan will be staying.

jfryjfry
jfryjfry SuperDork
7/16/23 9:48 a.m.

Maybe we-camper it and put in some of those luxury items you like from the conversion vans?   If it's just you two, I'd think a long seat/couch along the drivers side and a fold down table on the pass side would make a really nice place to hang out and be simple and light

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