Most aggressive treaded in a car tire?

http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/43/81/165/723/-/-/200299/ITP-Ultracross-Radial-ATV-Tire-27x10-15?ref=gmc&gclid=CKCAvt_d_LUCFQzNnAodpGwAaQ

How hardcore are you? These aren't the width you want, but you get the idea....

http://www.bikebandit.com/maxxis-m918-bighorn-atv-tire?WT.mc_id=googlemerchantfeed&utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&utm_campaign=pla&gclid=CIKy5_rd_LUCFQnznAod7XsAqw

I know lots of guys running RTV tires on broncos and trackers. Same concept only narrower.... My neighbor had Kubota tires on a civic for a long time until he blew it up mud bogging. Tractor tires on pickups aren't uncommon locally either.

SCCA Rallycross rules specifically prohibit ATV tires due to concerns about blowing out the sidewalls.

Hmm.... Hurst tire does custom grooving. I've had them groove new tires for me and buff the sidewall. I bet if you called them they could cut any pattern into a tire you requested. My drag slicks are F1 grooved to match the fronts.

FranktheTank wrote: http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/43/81/165/723/-/-/200299/ITP-Ultracross-Radial-ATV-Tire-27x10-15?ref=gmc&gclid=CKCAvt_d_LUCFQzNnAodpGwAaQ How hardcore are you? These aren't the width you want, but you get the idea.... http://www.bikebandit.com/maxxis-m918-bighorn-atv-tire?WT.mc_id=googlemerchantfeed&utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&utm_campaign=pla&gclid=CIKy5_rd_LUCFQnznAod7XsAqw I know lots of guys running RTV tires on broncos and trackers. Same concept only narrower....

Not only are they not allowed, but for that price I could buy DMACK genuine rally tires.

914Driver wrote: I don't know if this logic would apply to Rally, but I'd guess a tall side wall would keep from banging a rim.

In rallyx, lower profile means a harsher ride and greater risk of suspension damage, and no handling improvement since you're driving in muck anyways. Wider means more flotation which is bad if you want to dig in.

Ebony, I don't know where you are in Mass., but here's a $100 sample. Use that electric tire carver to remove every other lug and see what happens.

Check the rules first, you may end up in the big boys class or something.

http://westernmass.craigslist.org/pts/3680632495.html

irish44j wrote: Get whatever tire you want, and get a $40 tire groover (and appropriate blades) off ebay or wherever. this is just opening up my rally tire tread a bit, but you get the idea

This has my interest. I acquired not one but twosets of used rally tires at the end of last year. One set is mounted on old VW rims, the other was the first set I got and was looking for cheap rims when someone offered the mounted set.

MrChaos wrote: the smallest size you are going to find is 205-70/r15 and the most aggressive tire in that size is the yokohama Geolandar A/T-S

Is there a reason more people don't go this route? Consider that the available all-terrain tires are only 0.75-1.25 inches larger on the radius than a 24 inch diameter tire, it's seems quite possible that they could fit many cars...Especially if adjustable suspensions or modified fenders are allowed, but some probabably even if not. It should be even easier on cars that came with ~25 inch diameter tires. Are these tires not as good for rally as winter tires, too darned expensive for how long they last relative to winter tires, or is it actually that difficult to make them fit on most of these cars?

Just browsing through the all-terrain tires at Tire Rack shows the following 25.5-27 inch (12.75-13.5 Radius) options:

General Grabber AT2 27x8.5-14 (13.5 Radius)

General Grabber AT2 205/75-15 (13.4 Radius)

General Grabber AT2 215/65-16 (13.5 Radius)

BFG T/A KO 195/75-14 (12.75 Radius)

Pirelli Scorpion ATR 205/70-15 (13.1 Radius)

Yoko Geolander A/T-S 205/70-15 (13.2 Radius)

I Google Imaged "General Grabber AT2 27x8.5-14" and was very entertained with the results! Makes me want these even more!

Driven5 wrote: Is there a reason more people don't go this route?

Truck tires are not competition tires. The rubber compound is all wrong.

Snow tires are a crutch for lack of available rally tires, IMO. On a powerful car, snow tires' lives are remarkably short, yet rally tires are only available in a few limited sizes.

Knurled wrote:

Driven5 wrote: Is there a reason more people don't go this route?

Truck tires are not competition tires.

While I agree, I know for myself, the aggressive tires I'm looking for are for fairly slow driving in places a car shouldn't be such as mild trails and muddy places. I've done the heavily modded XJ's and Suzuki Samurais for several years but we've just run out of places to use them.

We still have dirt roads and trails to the fishin' holes etc and the challenge of getting there in a passenger car intrigues me (I hope that makes sense to you guys). Hence the "need" for a good tire!

Knurled wrote: Truck tires are not competition tires. The rubber compound is all wrong.

On the face of it, both of these statements seem to apply to snow tires as well...So this really doesn't help clarify the matter at all. The basis for my question is understanding exactly what makes the ever popular snow tires so much more suitable for this purpose on cars that may be able to fit them than these 'smaller' all-terrain tires.

ebonyandivory wrote: We still have dirt roads and trails to the fishin' holes etc and the challenge of getting there in a passenger car intrigues me (I hope that makes sense to you guys).

It absolutely makes sense to me...While I have yet to actually try doing so myself, there is a reason I was able to pull those specific tires up so quickly.

Driven5 wrote: It absolutely makes sense to me...While I have yet to actually try doing so myself, there is a reason I was able to pull those specific tires up so quickly.

Well thank you! Glad to see I'm not the only one with these crazy thoughts. I'm of the mindset that sure, you can get there with your truck, that's what it's made for! However, can you get there in a Protege5?

In reply to ebonyandivory:

I off roaded my old DD sunfire all the time on plain old street tires, I once took it through water up to the doors, impassable looking alleys were NBD, etc. As long as it resembled something once graded/paved, I was fine.

Driven5 wrote: Is there a reason more people don't go this route?

I think some of it comes down to the fact that small cars are popular for rallycross, especially in the 2WD classes. Around here we get tons of old 323s, old Escorts, Festivas, Geos and Suzukis, first-gen RX-7s, old Corollas and MR2s, that sort of thing. Lots of cars which came with 13" or 14" wheels stock.

On my Corolla, 23.75" tall tires rubbed the stock fenders, and I was at stock ride height, but with stiffer springs and shocks.

Adrian_Thompson wrote: I'm guessing the reason used rally tires have dried up is several factors: 1. The increase in popularity of Rallycross meaning the market for used tirs has grown. 2. There are at least 20 cheap rally builds being documented on dirtyimpreza so they are probably sucking up more too. 3. The # of entries at events seems markedly down over the last couple of years, even though the tough economic climate of 08/09/10 is passed. Less people rallying means fewer used tires for more rallycrossers.

I'd also suggest that the smaller sizes are less easy to find since many of the stage guys are running 16-17-18" wheels/tires now. Trust me, I got lucky scoring some used 14" Yoko rally tires before last season, coming off a FWD classed old Impreza.

The real reason used rally tires dry up fast is that the new ones cost a damn lot and there are few distributors so you don't get the price wars that you get with other tires. Hell, Star Specs cost half as much as most rally tires in similar sizes.

Most of the prepared and modified class guys in our region run snow tires....there are only a handfull of guys on rally tires, and maybe 2 or 3 tops that actually get new rally tires regularly. The rest of us just run what we have until there's no tread left, lol.

Knurled wrote:

Driven5 wrote: Is there a reason more people don't go this route?

Truck tires are not competition tires. The rubber compound is all wrong. Snow tires are a crutch for lack of available rally tires, IMO. On a powerful car, snow tires' lives are remarkably short, yet rally tires are only available in a few limited sizes.

that said, depending on the surface they can and sometimes are superior to rally tires. Our local venue changes from gravel/loose clay to baked hardpack clay (like tarmac) to ice-like wet clay....depending on course and weather....sometimes in the same day.

When it's loose/gravelly, the rally tire guys are faster. When it's wet, the snow tire guys are typically faster. When its hardpack, some guys put their street tires back on and are fastest. I run the rally tires less for the traction than for the sidewalls that let me really abuse them and not worry about it.

It's all car-dependent as well...I'm kind of speaking mostly for the RWD guys in our region. That said, the top-3 in MR and the top-1 in PR were all on well-worn rally tires.

Driven5 wrote: Is there a reason more people don't go this route? Consider that the available all-terrain tires are only 0.75-1.25 inches larger on the radius than a 24 inch diameter tire, it's seems quite possible that they could fit many cars...Especially if adjustable suspensions or modified fenders are allowed, but some probabably even if not.

because at that size(which is factory for a 87 Samurai) there is little choice in aggressive off road tires. you have to go to a 27 or 29in tire to have all the good selections like TSL Super Swampers.

he's using General Grabbers and does a lot of off-roading and some rallycross in a RWD e30....seems to do well, and didn't take much modifications to the car except a bit of trimming.

Tooth_Fairy said:

I'm really interested in spam

for what? Just driving around? General hooning? Rallycross?

If you have a Dodge Ram, you have about a million options for all-terrain tires (or is there a Dodge car called the Ram that I dont' know about?)

In reply to irish44j :

The Dodge RAM is a special kind of canoe.

914Driver said:

The snow tires that Wally and Adrian put up are good for snow, really good on ice because each block is further diced up like a grippy boat shoe, but I would think for mud and dirt you would want something with bigger lugs that clear faster.

I ran Treadwright retreads like those for years. They are awesome tires, i only retired them because they were 12 years old and the rubber was getting hard, plenty of tread left