Catatafish wrote: Ben, can the f2t be put in an miata? I do have a b2200 tranny.
You want to the B2600 tranny so you can put the RX7 tranny behind it. Because the b2200/miata tranny break at only 250ftlbs.
Catatafish wrote: Ben, can the f2t be put in an miata? I do have a b2200 tranny.
You want to the B2600 tranny so you can put the RX7 tranny behind it. Because the b2200/miata tranny break at only 250ftlbs.
S2000 drivetrain?
singleslammer wrote: Is there a reason that those F series motors can't bolt to a miata 5 speed? I already have one of those.
Bolts directly to a Miata 6spd with 5-10 minutes of drill work. (Just have to drill out two bosses. Then minor work to clutch arm.)
Catatafish wrote: Ben, can the f2t be put in an miata? I do have a b2200 tranny.
Depends on definition. I'm working on it.
It's going to require a hell of a hood cowl, unfortunately. The FE3 is shorter, will fit under the hood. Barely.
But other than that, it's pretty much whatever you have to do to get an FE3 in the car, the same applies to the F2T. You'll have some obstacles to overcome with the head vs. using the Kia FE3, because of the waterneck/distributor action from the FWD F2T.
There IS a RWD 12v head that came on the Mazda Bongo that you could consider using. Or it looks like putting the Kia head on the F2T block isn't the hardest thing in the world, and results with absolutely obscene power potential.
You cant swap heads between the FE3 and the early F2 stuff, oil passage issues with the F2 block not having enough.
Are you trolling with the honda F series to miata 6 speed comment? If it was that easy there'd be more than 3 F20/22 miatas in existence.
I don't think he's talking about THOSE F-series.
Leafy wrote: You cant swap heads between the FE3 and the early F2 stuff, oil passage issues with the F2 block not having enough. Are you trolling with the honda F series to miata 6 speed comment? If it was that easy there'd be more than 3 F20/22 miatas in existence.
You can absolutely stick an FE3 head on an F2 block. Been done quite a few times. Note i didn't say it's a direct drop on and go affair, but it's not insurmountable. Fairly common and popular in PR. (Surprise!)
No, i thought he meant Mazda F-motors. F2 and FE3 will bolt to Miata 6spd.
Swank Force One wrote:Leafy wrote: You cant swap heads between the FE3 and the early F2 stuff, oil passage issues with the F2 block not having enough. Are you trolling with the honda F series to miata 6 speed comment? If it was that easy there'd be more than 3 F20/22 miatas in existence.You can absolutely stick an FE3 head on an F2 block. Been done quite a few times. Note i didn't say it's a direct drop on and go affair, but it's not insurmountable. Fairly common and popular in PR. (Surprise!) No, i thought he meant Mazda F-motors. F2 and FE3 will bolt to Miata 6spd.
Weird. There's way more oil passages in the FE3 engine/head than the F2.
Never heard the 6 speed thing, that makes the swap even easier.
Leafy wrote:Swank Force One wrote:Weird. There's way more oil passages in the FE3 engine/head than the F2. Never heard the 6 speed thing, that makes the swap even easier.Leafy wrote: You cant swap heads between the FE3 and the early F2 stuff, oil passage issues with the F2 block not having enough. Are you trolling with the honda F series to miata 6 speed comment? If it was that easy there'd be more than 3 F20/22 miatas in existence.You can absolutely stick an FE3 head on an F2 block. Been done quite a few times. Note i didn't say it's a direct drop on and go affair, but it's not insurmountable. Fairly common and popular in PR. (Surprise!) No, i thought he meant Mazda F-motors. F2 and FE3 will bolt to Miata 6spd.
There are way more oil passages in the FE3 head. The extras are drains though, not feeds. Weld them shut, skim the head, bolt that E36 M3 on.
Have to use a Toyota timing belt of some sort, i have the data somewhere. Guy i talked to in Puerto Rico did this, put in CP 3sgte pistons, left the stock rods, and proceeded to make 561whp on 26psi on a mid-sized T4.
In a 1st gen Probe. Facepalm.
WHICH 6 speed?? 99-05??
Just be careful how much torque you push through it... the limit is about 250-300 #/ft in a 2700# car.... At least that is where the S15 GT-R Silva folks complain about them breaking
oldeskewltoy wrote: WHICH 6 speed?? 99-05?? Just be careful how much torque you push through it... the limit is about 250-300 #/ft in a 2700# car.... At least that is where the S15 GT-R Silva folks complain about them breaking
its about 350ftlbs in the miata, and really only 4th gear is the problem child.
oldeskewltoy wrote: WHICH 6 speed?? 99-05?? Just be careful how much torque you push through it... the limit is about 250-300 #/ft in a 2700# car.... At least that is where the S15 GT-R Silva folks complain about them breaking
Yep, 99-05 6spd. It'll probably be maxed out by any mild F2T. I know i couldn't trust it to handle any of my motors, but this is a much lighter car OP is working with, and probably won't need a 400wtq+ monstrosity. 
.... Or does he?
Wow, you guys are throwing all sorts of fun out there that I wasn't expecting. I suspect that regardless of drivetrain choices (within reason) that this car will max out around 2K-2100 lbs. It will probably be REALLY traction limited so 400 wtq is soo not required. I am thinking a nice sedate 140hp will make the starlet hilariously fun. I do still have the 3.0L SHO V6 and ranger transmission that I can install if I decide bigger is better. Who doesn't like an 8K rpm redline.
If 140hp is enough and you want fuel mileage why is the choice not a TDi with one of the $80 adapter plates to a toyota tranny?
In reply to Leafy:
Good point. So 140hp isn't probably enough but I don't think that TDI will work for me due to limited funding on this particular project. I have looked before and a TDI engine set is pretty pricey.
140hp?
Just go get a whole Kia Sportage dropout. Easy button, cheap as hell, and more compact than an F2T or Yamahammer.
If you want to get a little crazy, the Suzuki 2.7 V6 is based off the 2.5 Mazda KL design. I don't think it would be much stretch to get 200whp out of one of those with basic breathing modifications and Megasquirt. Plus: Glorious noises.
If you are using a Miata trans why not use a BPT? Or just BP+t? Does a B6T bolt on?
Of course if the F2T bolts in in 5-10 minutes why not at that point i guess...
kanaric wrote: If you are using a Miata trans why not use a BPT? Or just BP+t? Does a B6T bolt on? Of course if the F2T bolts in in 5-10 minutes why not at that point i guess...
Cause mazda B engines are terrible and should never be swapped into anything. I cringe every time I see a kit car running one.
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