So my 01 Spyder needs some more scoot. I asked about this somewhat last year but my thoughts have changed a little.

1 - cheap (this alone rules out the 2zz)

2 - makes a solid 200+ hp (at least)

3 - easyish to find and easyish to find parts for.

4 - has to fit in the mr2 engine bay (fairly narrow, so no v8 or wide six)

5 - easy electronics

The 1mz (toyota v6) has been down but is not a great motor IMO, and hard electronics . The KLZE (mazda v6) would fit and make the power but is not easily available. Powerful 4 cylinders are available but not cheap.

Thoughts?

I forgot to say turbos are an option as well but for some reason I am not that interested in this, not sure why really.

Was there a TRD supercharger kit for this car?

A klde can easily make klze power... the compressiom bump isn't huge and in fact the DE heads flow better.

That said I'd just boost the 1zz.

singleslammer wrote: So my 01 Spyder needs some more scoot. I asked about this somewhat last year but my thoughts have changed a little. #1 - cheap (this alone rules out the 2zz) Thoughts?

Why??? I can put together a 2ZZ for about $700ish....

2GR-FE would be the best, IMO. Don't know how cheap they are, though.

If you can hook up with Oldskooltoy and put together a 2zz for $700, there's my vote.

And for what it's worth, i think the 1mz is a better motor than the KL.

2GR is around $3,000

But that is the way to go. ~300hp with a Y-pipe. It's new with a lot of support and is built to be bulletproof. Plus I am sure you will add to the value of the car. I'd certainly pay quite a bit more for one. Spyders have been holding their value, don't miss that train.

Here's a nice little video from one of the first completed 2gr spyder swaps :) The guy is on mr2oc, quite a bit of documentation there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-1f4SLilSs

Yes. It's fast. LT1 Miata fast.

I read that you could use a TRD supercharger from a celica on this despite the different engine.

oldeskewltoy wrote:

singleslammer wrote: So my 01 Spyder needs some more scoot. I asked about this somewhat last year but my thoughts have changed a little. #1 - cheap (this alone rules out the 2zz) Thoughts?

Why??? I can put together a 2ZZ for about $700ish....

It's not cheap if you can't do the work yourself. In my apartment there is NO WAY I would be able to do any engine swap as I can't have any of the tools and i'm sure the labor would be likr $5000 or something along those lines as i'm sure fabrication is also an issue maybe increasing hte costs further. Am I wrong?

I thought the go to engine swap for mr2s was a world war 2 vintage radial?

kanaric wrote: It's not cheap if you can't do the work yourself. In my apartment there is NO WAY I would be able to do any engine swap as I can't have any of the tools and i'm sure the labor would be likr $5000 or something along those lines as i'm sure fabrication is also an issue maybe increasing hte costs further. Am I wrong?

No engine swap is ever cheap if you're having someone do the work. Singlslammer asked for engine swap options - 2zz is probably the cheapest due to the least amount of custom work required. It's not going to put out 200hp without some work though.

No supercharger for the mr2.

I have thought about just turboing it and this is probably the best answer overall but I can't get excited about this option for some reason.

I am definitely going to be doing all the work so don't worry about that.

Old skewl - if you can hook me up with a 2zz for that kind of money, I am sold. I have researched this before and I have always seen motors at or above 2k.

The 2gr is an option, but appears to break rules 1,4, & 5. Awesome motor though. They obviously can be made to fit but apparently it is no cake walk.

The MZ series motors are always an option. Ben - do you know anyone that makes anything for this engine? It has been a few years since I looked at these. Bonus on these, no custom axles required. Just use an NA S54 from a mk2 mr2 and it pretty well all bolts together.

A shop's charges aren't going to be wildly different based on what engine is going in there (assuming similar swap difficulty) and a 2ZZ is one of the easier swaps.

dculberson wrote:

kanaric wrote: It's not cheap if you can't do the work yourself. In my apartment there is NO WAY I would be able to do any engine swap as I can't have any of the tools and i'm sure the labor would be likr $5000 or something along those lines as i'm sure fabrication is also an issue maybe increasing hte costs further. Am I wrong?

No engine swap is ever cheap if you're having someone do the work. Singlslammer asked for engine swap options - 2zz is probably the cheapest due to the least amount of custom work required. It's not going to put out 200hp without some work though.

It'll put out 200hp with very little work. You're actually aiming low.

225whp is what we're talking about with intake, header, exhaust, intake manifold, and a tune. VERY underrated and nasty motor.

singleslammer wrote: I am definitely going to be doing all the work so don't worry about that. Old skewl - if you can hook me up with a 2zz for that kind of money, I am sold. I have researched this before and I have always seen motors at or above 2k. The 2gr is an option, but appears to break rules 1,4, & 5. Awesome motor though. They obviously can be made to fit but apparently it is no cake walk. The MZ series motors are always an option. Ben - do you know anyone that makes anything for this engine? It has been a few years since I looked at these. Bonus on these, no custom axles required. Just use an NA S54 from a mk2 mr2 and it pretty well all bolts together.

I don't really know much about aftermarket for the MZ motors, but i will offer the tidbit that anywhere a 1mz fits, a 3mz fits.

What i do know about them is that they're ridiculously overbuilt motors in every sense and 200whp should be pretty easy with Megasquirt and some basic breathing modifications.

I'm sure there's custom regrind cams out there for these motors, and i know there's pistons if you want to build it for high compression or like... eleventy billion whp down the road.

This is a 3mz bottom end with 1mz heads. You'd be surprised at how little work is really done to the motor. "Back in the day" he held over 500whp on a 100% stock 1mz just with the turbo slapped on. Made something like 700whp with pistons and rods, stock motor otherwise. He got a big jump going to the forged 3mz bottom.

http://youtu.be/XNWbZ53_CZo

To be perfectly honest, if a 3mz swap would have been legal for my class of autocross, there'd be one sitting in the engine bay of my Escort right now. How? Well... there's already mount kits to put a Toyota E153 trans in the Escort. That takes care of 3 of the 4 mounts. Only one mount actually attaches to the motor itself.

From what I can tell in my ~month of Spyder ownership, there's not much in the way of easy/cheap power for these cars. If you want anything more than the 5-10 you'll get from an intake and exhaust, it's a swap or boost.

The supercharger for the Matrix works with a little modification. There's a couple guys on Spyderchat that have threads about it, and I think one guy sells a kit.

What is your budget in all of this? Monkey Wrench Racing sells turbo kits for the 1ZZ, I believe those start around $2500 and go up from there.

Also on Spyderchat is an active thread about doing a K20/K24 swap, including a group buy on the motors. From the sounds of things they just have one or two more details to figure out.

One thing I'm curious about through, is why you discount the 2ZZ if you're thinking about a V6 swap. The V6 swap involves a lot more modification than the 2ZZ; the 2ZZ is to my understanding the by-far easiest/cheapest swap to do on these cars.

Another thing about the 2zz...

You live in the same area as one of the biggest used parts dealers in the country. They might be able to sell you a 2zz at a good price if you can be a little patient while they wait for one to show up. I can ask them next time they're here. Might be able to get you the 6spd with it.

What did Lotus use for the Evora S? Do that.

pinchvalve wrote: What did Lotus use for the Evora S? Do that.

2gr.

These are laying around in Loynings attic. The 1ZZ head has a moderate port job, the 2ZZ head has had only short radius work done on it(at least that is what I remember).

Can you assemble it? As you can see, it is COMPLETELY disassembled right now......

Yes, I can put one together. That is just something that takes time.

The 2 main reasons I was thinking against the 2zz was the price (over 2k from what I have seen) and a lack of torque. I can deal with no torque if the price comes down.

Budget is probably about 1500 with a time line of swapping next winter.

singleslammer wrote: Budget is probably about 1500 with a time line of swapping next winter.

Is that just for motor/trans? Or for the whole swap including all the little things and management?