Would you go with the EcoBoost or the V8?
I am asking for a coworker.
Would you go with the EcoBoost or the V8?
I am asking for a coworker.
They're having a stutter issue with the ecoboosts that they're being retarded about, but they both about the same in most regards. My future BIL has a '12 Ecoboost and loves it. Well, he will when he gets it back after a squirrel chewed up his engine and chassis harnesses by the computer.....
The turbo V6 gets better gas mileage when simply tooling around town. When fully-loaded and hauling/towing, the 5.0L V8 gets better mileage.
So, if it's a truck whose primary purpose is commuting, tooling around town, and occasionally hauling mulch and lumber for home-improvement projects, go with the turbo V6.
However, if it is going to be primarily used for doing more truckly things, get the V8.
IIRC, the V6 EcoBoost is the one our own Alfadriver had a lot to do with (emissions?). I've heard a lot of good things about it in the F150 platform.
Sky_Render wrote: However, if it is going to be primarily used for doing more truckly things, get the V8.
I believe that the ecoboost has a sizeable torque advantage, so perhaps that should be the other way around?
I would lean v8 simply for simplicity's sake, however.
yamaha wrote: They're having a stutter issue with the ecoboosts that they're being retarded about, but they both about the same in most regards. My future BIL has a '12 Ecoboost and loves it. Well, he will when he gets it back after a squirrel chewed up his engine and chassis harnesses by the computer.....
Scented dryer sheets placed strategically will keep the critters away.
Working at a Ford dealership, I'd say it really depends on which engine you like. Both have had relatively little problems. The 5.0 has a stupid stretch belt for the AC that they finally came out with a tensioned belt setup for, but other than that, it's a great engine. The EcoBoost sounds really cool when the turbos are at full boost. Do you like the turbo noise? Get the EcoBoost. Do you like the V8 roar? Get the 5.0.
Do the Ecoboost F150s still have a higher tow rating over the 5.0 V8?
In reply to fasted58:
With the whole IUPUI "Man with a gun scare" from last week I told him he shouldn't of been hunting them on campus. He had mothballs in there, but that evidently didn't work too well.
kreb wrote:Sky_Render wrote: However, if it is going to be primarily used for doing more truckly things, get the V8.I believe that the ecoboost has a sizeable torque advantage, so perhaps that should be the other way around? I would lean v8 simply for simplicity's sake, however.
It does. 420 vs. 380. I drove both before buying my Ecoboost-powered truck. Honestly, you can't go wrong, they are both outstanding engines. I picked the Ecoboost for the slightly better mileage (it isn't that big of a difference, really), the torque, and the fact that it fits my driving style well. I will say this for the 5.0, though, it sounds GREAT. If you want V8 sounds, buy the 5.0.
As for reliability, yes the Ecoboost has more "stuff to go wrong", but it had also been in production for a couple of years prior to 2011 when I got mine (in the SHO and MKS), and is based on the venerable 3.5L Duratec. Whereas the 5.0 was a clean sheet of paper design in 2011. I must also admit that the Ecoboost torture test swayed me some: http://www.ford.com/new/f-150-torture-test/ I watched some of the teardown of that engine at the Detroit auto show, and it looked good. Having said all that, I did something I never do, and bought the extended warranty. Trust, but verify. 
Anyhow, I LOVE my truck, wouldn't change a thing about it. 18k miles in a year and a half and it's been just stellar. It also got 17mpg towing Adrian's Saab up from Kentucky on my not-lightweight open trailer.
Javelin wrote: IIRC, the V6 EcoBoost is the one our own Alfadriver had a lot to do with (emissions?). I've heard a lot of good things about it in the F150 platform.
For the actual production, I did more on the cars. For research, I still have a pair of trucks.
Having never driven a V8, I can't give a comparison. But I do like my trucks...
(and I don't have tow rating in front of me, but I suspect they are the same)
I keep looking at them, and I came to the same conclusion as Sky_Render. If I bought one today, around here, I'd probably end up with the V8 since the Ecoboost engines are highly desired and the dealers seem to be holding higher prices on them. I think they're more willing to deal on the 5L, and the slight mpg difference could be overcome by a better price for my needs.
of course, I only drive 7 miles each way to work....
I think this is really a personal decision, I'd recommend test driving both. Personally, I prefer the "EcoBoost". I heard one drive by me the other day and it sounded like a turbo diesel without the diesel clatter, just the turbocharger noise, usually turbochargers aren't that loud. It must be running a fairly high pressure.
I'm eyeing F150s pretty seriously. Does the Ecoboost really get 22 mph on the freeway? I know Ram is pushing their 300 hp version as getting 25 mpg on the freeway, which is pretty impressive. Between the two I'd go with Ford for reliability but admit that I don't know a lot about Ram reliability. Sorry for the threadjack...
alfadriver wrote: (and I don't have tow rating in front of me, but I suspect they are the same)
Actually, the Ecoboost is quite a bit higher. For a 4x4 Supercab with a short box and 3.55 gears (just as an example), the 5.0 is rated to tow 7800 lbs while the Ecoboost is rated to tow 9700. Looks like the highest possible rating for the 5.0 is 10,000, while for the Ecoboost it's 11,300. Source: https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/rv_trailer_towing/2012/2012_default.asp
And no, they don't get 22 mpg in the real world. Mine is rated at 21. I can squeeze 20 out of it by going 55mph on level ground with no wind or other traffic. Most of the time, it's 17-18 on the freeway, VERY speed dependent. Aerodynamics become too much of a limiting factor once you get above 65-70 or so.
Thanks, that's what I figured, a truck is a barn door no matter who makes it. Looked briefly... very briefly... at diesels and good lord, they're on the order of a $7-9k option. Perfect for some working guys but not me.
I lurk on a pro mechanics forum on Reddit. Is the Ecoboost DI? There have been some ugly pics of BMWs with carbon problems w/ the DI setup. Haven't seen the same with Cadillac yet. Kind of think I recall seeing similar from the Ecoboost. There is an expensive BMW repair procedure; plenty of techs seafoam the heck out of the intakes a couple of times instead of pulling them, followed by an oil change.
Yes, they're DI. Haven't had any carbon problems, but they do not have a serviceable fuel filter either. We suggest a fuel injection svc every 15-20k miles to help with the prevention of carbon deposits. We also suggest the BG MOA (motor oil additive) because BG has seen some oil deposits building up on oil squirters under the pistons and the MOA prevents that. Again, it's a suggestion, not a requirement.
Due to the DI, you will hear a ticking from the engine. This FREAKS people the hell out. LOL Just remember, it's a faint tick, caused by the injectors. It is NOT a lifter/rod/anything else knock.
Tom_Spangler wrote:alfadriver wrote: (and I don't have tow rating in front of me, but I suspect they are the same)Actually, the Ecoboost is quite a bit higher. For a 4x4 Supercab with a short box and 3.55 gears (just as an example), the 5.0 is rated to tow 7800 lbs while the Ecoboost is rated to tow 9700. Looks like the highest possible rating for the 5.0 is 10,000, while for the Ecoboost it's 11,300. Source: https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/rv_trailer_towing/2012/2012_default.asp And no, they don't get 22 mpg in the real world. Mine is rated at 21. I can squeeze 20 out of it by going 55mph on level ground with no wind or other traffic. Most of the time, it's 17-18 on the freeway, VERY speed dependent. Aerodynamics become too much of a limiting factor once you get above 65-70 or so.
Thanks for the correction.
I did get 23 on a long weekend drive. But it was all 45-55 mph around the thumb. What I've found is that you can get 20 if you drive more sane. 18 isn't hard even in the winter.
conesare2seconds wrote: I lurk on a pro mechanics forum on Reddit. Is the Ecoboost DI? There have been some ugly pics of BMWs with carbon problems w/ the DI setup. Haven't seen the same with Cadillac yet. Kind of think I recall seeing similar from the Ecoboost. There is an expensive BMW repair procedure; plenty of techs seafoam the heck out of the intakes a couple of times instead of pulling them, followed by an oil change.
What I will say here- don't lump DI into the problems that BMW has. They are the only ones who have had carbon problems, and I know they had problems like that way back in the 80s. This does not seem new.
Kia, Mazda, Toyota, GM, and Ford all manage to not have problems. And I don't think even Audi are having problems.
Conquest351 wrote: Yes, they're DI. Haven't had any carbon problems, but they do not have a serviceable fuel filter either. We suggest a fuel injection svc every 15-20k miles to help with the prevention of carbon deposits. We also suggest the BG MOA (motor oil additive) because BG has seen some oil deposits building up on oil squirters under the pistons and the MOA prevents that. Again, it's a suggestion, not a requirement. Due to the DI, you will hear a ticking from the engine. This FREAKS people the hell out. LOL Just remember, it's a faint tick, caused by the injectors. It is NOT a lifter/rod/anything else knock.
You can't change the fuel filter, seriously?
z31maniac wrote:Conquest351 wrote: Yes, they're DI. Haven't had any carbon problems, but they do not have a serviceable fuel filter either. We suggest a fuel injection svc every 15-20k miles to help with the prevention of carbon deposits. We also suggest the BG MOA (motor oil additive) because BG has seen some oil deposits building up on oil squirters under the pistons and the MOA prevents that. Again, it's a suggestion, not a requirement. Due to the DI, you will hear a ticking from the engine. This FREAKS people the hell out. LOL Just remember, it's a faint tick, caused by the injectors. It is NOT a lifter/rod/anything else knock.You can't change the fuel filter, seriously?
Haven't been able to do that for years. Thank the zero-emission nazi's for that.
z31maniac wrote: You can't change the fuel filter, seriously?
You buy crappy fuel? Seriously?
alfadriver wrote:z31maniac wrote: You can't change the fuel filter, seriously?You buy crappy fuel? Seriously?
I do not, but I can't imagine a fuel filter lasting for 100k miles.
z31maniac wrote:alfadriver wrote:I do not, but I can't imagine a fuel filter lasting for 100k miles.z31maniac wrote: You can't change the fuel filter, seriously?You buy crappy fuel? Seriously?
That is why they don't exist on gas vehicles anymore. All you get now is the strainer on the pump for any filtration. Reason I feel you see so many fuel pumps sold now compared to trying a new filter.
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