I wish Nissan would just STFU and actually build the light weight & affordable RWD car that they've been yakking about for too many years now.
When I checked out this thread I was hoping that the the Nissan smack talk was a lead up to the intro of the new 240z or 240sx. 
Edit: I retract this second paragraph , I haz a reading compression fail.
I stand by the first part though, less conversation more action!
Well I think the article says it all...I hope he's not letting his mouth write checks that his company can't cash. Their Toyobaru competitor better be seriously impressive. I'll be happy if it is.
Edit: Comedy option: Nissan's car turns out to have ricetastic F&F styling. Not for you old folks, gramps! This is mad tyte y0!
HappyAndy wrote: When I checked out this thread I was hoping that the the Nissan smack talk was a lead up to the intro of the new 240z or 240sx.
Nissan will be introducing a successor to the 240z in late November at the Tokyo Motor Show.
Well I can't speak for Nissan, but it sounds like they're frustrated - and I've never seen a 50 year old get in/out of an FRS - they'll hurt themselves as it's not the easiest thing to get in/out of, and this coming from someone in their 30s.
On another note my buddy with and FRS had to borrow my truck for the week - so I'm using his FRS as my daily. I got to drive it when he got it and it was fun, but now that I'm 'driving' it I have to say it's magic (to me). I feel like I'm in a lower, wider, better handling Miata (other buddy has a new one of those too). I love the seats, the steering wheel, shifter, pedal position, the only thing I don't like is the non-adjustable seatbelt height (too high on my neck). The engine has nice response and torque for a road car but the flat spot in the mid range is annoying - but you can fix that by just keeping the revs up. I'm enjoying my commute 
The only japanese car company more irrelevant than nissan at this point is Mitsu.
This thread made me go look up specs...
Nissan has a fantastic car in the 370z. 332hp, 3278lbs, $33k (w/ sport pack, LSD & manual).
Lighter or cheaper would always be better... but those are solid numbers.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: This thread made me go look up specs... Nissan has a fantastic car in the 370z. 332hp, 3278lbs, $33k (w/ sport pack, LSD & manual). Lighter or cheaper would always be better... but those are solid numbers.
May be solid numbers, but I've heard its not the best track car, didn't Car and Driver cook the brakes on one after only a few laps?
Another issue, is its kind of an "in-between" car. If you want a lightweight scalpel, a Miata or and FR-S/BRZ is a better choice, and its cheaper. If you want something more brutal, well, a Mustang GT is in the same price range, and has about 80 horsepower on it, if some more weight, too. If you want something to show off, but don't need as many performance pretenses, Nissan competes with itself with the G37 (or Q50 or whatever they want to call it now).
Edit: just checked. Nissan also loses on the practicality front. Despite the 370Z being a slightly bigger car, the FR-S has the same trunk capacity, plus the rear seats can fold down for more space, so anyone who wants a "sporty" car they can live with easier would probably choose the Scion or Subaru.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: This thread made me go look up specs... Nissan has a fantastic car in the 370z. 332hp, 3278lbs, $33k (w/ sport pack, LSD & manual). Lighter or cheaper would always be better... but those are solid numbers.
Well, you can get cheaper for sure. The '13 3.8R-Spec gen coupe is $27,375, makes 348hp with brembos, LSD and better suspension. The down side is it's 3440lb curb weight.
The real world reason why the 370Z and Frisbee aren't comparable? The back seats. We had one Z-car all season in AX, we had over a dozen Frisbee's. Nearly every single Frisbee either had a car seat in the back or small children. Just a real-world observation there...
Raze wrote: - and I've never seen a 50 year old get in/out of an FRS - they'll hurt themselves as it's not the easiest thing to get in/out of, and this coming from someone in their 30s.
Easy there Sonny boy....
Javelin wrote: The real world reason why the 370Z and Frisbee aren't comparable? The back seats. We had *one* Z-car all season in AX, we had over a dozen Frisbee's. Nearly every single Frisbee either had a car seat in the back or small children. Just a real-world observation there...
Last autocross here we had three Z cars. No Frisbees.
I know a member on here compared the 370Z and the BRZ/ FRS and ended up with a 370Z.
In reply to eastsidemav:
In addition to cooking the brakes the 370 has a tendency to overheat and go into limp mode after a couple of laps. Sounds like a fun time to me too.
http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/2720/Project-Nissan-370Z--Keeping-it-cool-with-a-CSF-radiator-HPS-Hoses-and-a-Nissan-Motorsports-Oil-Cooler.aspx
Edit: An unsubstantiated rumor I that comes to mind is that the BRZ fighter is getting the 1.6T Juke motor. You couldn't make me less excited.
Javelin wrote: The real world reason why the 370Z and Frisbee aren't comparable? The back seats..
I love the FRS/BRZ but, the rear seats are for groceries and sweaters... and people who are fond of pain.
LuxInterior wrote:Javelin wrote: The real world reason why the 370Z and Frisbee aren't comparable? The back seats..I love the FRS/BRZ but, the rear seats are for groceries and sweaters... and people who are fond of pain.
I rode in the back seat for a short jaunt... Not bad for around town. I could at least drive with a couple guys to go to lunch. And Groceries in the back seat means that I can take my girlfriend shopping with me and not have to remember to take my golf clubs out of the trunk.
N Sperlo wrote:HappyAndy wrote: When I checked out this thread I was hoping that the the Nissan smack talk was a lead up to the intro of the new 240z or 240sx.Nissan will be introducing a successor to the 240z in late November at the Tokyo Motor Show.
Maybe.....they've hinted enough about it. OTOH, some british guys I've never heard of said:
Nissan will show two sports cars at the Tokyo motor show; a crazy concept and a more realistic one that is closer to a production car. The latter is Nissan's answer to the Toyota GT86, but rather than being a totally new concept, its styling is apparently inspired by a car from the company's past. Nissan would not confirm which model that is, but said it was 'not a Z car'. - See more at: http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/nissan-plans-two-sports-car-concepts-tokyo-show/1216827#sthash.WtrnZoCH.dpuf
The0retical wrote: Edit: An unsubstantiated rumor I that comes to mind is that the BRZ fighter is getting the 1.6T Juke motor. You couldn't make me less excited.
I'm unfamiliar with it. Is it that bad?
Swank Force One wrote:Snrub wrote: Let me preface this by saying I have yet to drive a FRS/BRZ. I do wonder at some of the hype surrounding the this car. If the 370Z is ~4.5k more than a FRS, why are they considered for radically different markets? Consider them with comparable options and I have to think it's very close. Same thing with the former RX-8 which was considered to have more or less the same attributes as the FRS/BRZ. The base model was very close in price to the FRS/BRZ, but was a bit faster in a straight line, better brakes, more refined, handled a bit better, had worse fuel economy and reliability.If you haven't driven it, then on what basis are you judging the handling, braking, and refinement?
I was at a track weekend earlier this month, riding shotgun in a 2010 RX8 and lapping with a BRZ. Both were on R compound tires (NT01 on the RX8, RA1 on the BRZ), both were experienced, capable drivers. The RX8 simply ran away from the BRZ, and lapped him in a 20 minute session.
I'm sorry, but Nissan sucks and needs to stop blabbing.
Nissan WAS the company that brought affordable and reliable RWD performance to the states with the original Z car. Emphasis on WAS.
When the Z got too bloated and fat, and the youth market wandered away, they came out with the 200SX and the 240SX. After those disappeared, well, they had nothing except the 350Z, which was priced out of the affordable market.
Nissan used to rule, we all know that. I used to be a huge fan of their stuff. Back in the day, I used to look forward to buying a cool Nissan when I got older, but they changed. Now, they peddle rubber band transmission-equipped "4 Door Sports Cars" and other ugly garbage scows and pass them off as "sporty" cars. The 370Z is priced too far out of market for them to be complaining about the Toyobaru cars. It just makes them sound butthurt.
As much as I can't stand most modern Toyotas, I have to give credit for the Toyobaru cars. They hit a home run with these cars, and I hope all other car manufacturers release competitors to the cheap RWD useful sports car throne. Competition is good. 
SilverFleet wrote: When the Z got too bloated and fat, and the youth market wandered away, they came out with the 200SX and the 240SX. After those disappeared, well, they had nothing except the 350Z, which was priced out of the affordable market.
The only accurate statement in SilverFleet's post is coincidentally most important fact of this entire thread.
Are you listening manufactures?
MAKE AFFORDABLE FUN TO DRIVE CARS AND WE WILL BUY!!!
Turboeric wrote:Swank Force One wrote:I was at a track weekend earlier this month, riding shotgun in a 2010 RX8 and lapping with a BRZ. Both were on R compound tires (NT01 on the RX8, RA1 on the BRZ), both were experienced, capable drivers. The RX8 simply ran away from the BRZ, and lapped him in a 20 minute session.Snrub wrote: Let me preface this by saying I have yet to drive a FRS/BRZ. I do wonder at some of the hype surrounding the this car. If the 370Z is ~4.5k more than a FRS, why are they considered for radically different markets? Consider them with comparable options and I have to think it's very close. Same thing with the former RX-8 which was considered to have more or less the same attributes as the FRS/BRZ. The base model was very close in price to the FRS/BRZ, but was a bit faster in a straight line, better brakes, more refined, handled a bit better, had worse fuel economy and reliability.If you haven't driven it, then on what basis are you judging the handling, braking, and refinement?
To add a little bit to this, the ride i had in a FRS was very nice. It felt very similar to my RX8 but smaller and maybe a bit more tossable. The motor being a flat four had a very different feel, revved nicely and had good midrange. Playing around with the car at near and over the speed limits and in traffic it felt a bit faster but when you set the thing to boil it didn't feel like it had the same get up and go as my rotary. I do think the FRS would be nicer in traffic and i know it gets better MPG so there you go. Would definitely consider one were i in the market.
I do think that the cars aren't really in the same class--I see the Nissan as something of an extremely sporty GT, whereas the Frisbee is a sports car--much more like a Miata. I'm splitting hairs I know, and most of the buying public won't see the difference.
I would probably be looking at a Frisbee as my next car if it had a little more grunt, or maybe a different power delivery. It felt underpowered to me, and I hate myself for saying that--I'm the guy who has driven a Miata for the past 3 years; before that I was in even slower cars. I'll be interested in the Nissan if it comes in at a similar weight and has a more enjoyable power delivery. Maybe I've just changed, I have found myself lusting after something with a V8.
Raze wrote: and I've never seen a 50 year old get in/out of an FRS - they'll hurt themselves as it's not the easiest thing to get in/out of, and this coming from someone in their 30s.
Interesting comment!
It's a shame you missed our last cars and coffee of the season. My old friend Gary drove his Twin-Cam Lotus Europa that day. Afterwards we took it out for a 30 mile or so ride.
Gary stands 6'3" and 66 years old. I am 5'11" and 67 years old. Neither of us had any trouble getting into or out of his Europa. And while he drove I rode, while I drove he rode. We had plenty of room inside.
Not everyone who is 5'6" or taller needs to drive an Escalade unless there is a "S.D.S." compensation issue there of course.
So what I gathered from this thread is everyone wants the SVO mustang that's in the works. (please don't be fat, please don't be fat, please don't be fat.....)
Honestly the current v6 mustang seems to be the most relevant contender, even with all it's weight and stick axle.
accordionfolder wrote: So what I gathered from this thread is everyone wants the SVO mustang that's in the works. (please don't be fat, please don't be fat, please don't be fat.....) Honestly the current v6 mustang seems to be the most relevant contender, even with all it's weight and stick axle.
Or the V6 Gen Coupe......
Bobzilla wrote: Or the V6 Gen Coupe......
You want the V6 gen coupe if you don't want to modify anything. The direct injected 2.0T is god's gift to man! over 300whp and 330wtq with a tune and exhaust parts (turboback).
There really is nothing to complain about with the Genesis Coupe. It does exactly what you expect for a ridiculously reasonable price. There are no glaring faults.
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