Well at least it's a simple basis one
200TW class or ST$YR is SCCA class language.
Well at least it's a simple basis one
200TW class or ST$YR is SCCA class language.
I like that. Street tires only. Could even have a sub-sub class and if someone shows up on maypops and somehow finishes the event, they win.
I'd rather just eliminate 'race tires' (except slicks for the drags) altogether.
"Spend big money on Hoosiers and wheels or you won't be competitive" sort of bothers me
Then again I hit the top 10 on 300TW tires in '14 so it is possible.
Maybe just a extra trophy for best autocross on street tires (200TW or higher) - alot easier than organizing a whole sub class. You could even throw in a best drag time on streets too.
I'm all for sticky race tires but the 200 tw ST class rules seem to fit the spirit of the event a little better.
On the other hand would we have been graced with such awesomeness as the xjr and similar out of the box vehicles without the sticky tires?
That's why I chose to run ST is the tire rule. I've spent big money on tires in the past and have a hard time justifying such an expense for a hobby.
This isn't about Suzuki dirt bikes with the fat rear tire?
Guys I have 4 18x10 pretty used up Hoosiers that I paid 25 bucks for(from an SCCA atl.area Director here in Ga.)just gonna Juice them up and Go. should be good for Plenty of laps. It's how you spend it, not how much you spend. Can I get an Amen.
Anything that limits tire choices limits options and raises the out of pocket expenses. A street tire rule limits you to 2-3 brands/models that may not even exist in a size for your car. There are other competitive options besides Hoosiers. The mumpkin ran Bias Ply takeoffs because the team didn't want to spend purple crack money. The car had FTD until the last run of the day by the overall autocross winner. There was time left on the table without switching to Hoosiers.
In reply to MrJoshua:
I actually have hoosier bias ply take offs that I got for free from a member on here a few years ago. The idea behind the class is as much to see how much speed can be found on streetable tires as it is about budget.
In reply to captdownshift:
The challenge used to require "DOT" legal tires. We argued to open up the rules so we had more (read as cheaper) choices. I don't mind the idea of a sub-class, but PLEASE don't ask for overall restriction back to a small selection of narrowly defined tires.
I guess I will chime since I started the Sub-Class of Aristocrats.
In 2015, I campaigned an Infiniti Q45 to 11th place. Car broke. I sold it.
In 2016, Robbie decided to purchase a BMW 7 series V12. I could see that he was going to follow the luxobarge path I had forged.
I then purchased another Q45 and called him out with "the battle of the big girls."
Andy Newman then bought an LS400.
I then realized this was headed somewhere and challenged them both to an inside bet for the top finishing luxobarge and I called ourselves The Aristocrats. Ultimately there were 7 cars in The Aristocrat Class.
This side bet almost became more important that the rest of the event for those involved. It was so much fun, the idea has been carried forward.
The following year, Minivans.
This year, "pickup trucks"
The most important thing to remember of the sub classes (or side bets) is that there are no rules created just for the sub class. That way, you are still competing for the overall.
As for 200tw. If you as a competitor want to limit yourself to 200tw and you can find some others who want to limit themselves to the same then by all means, head to it. It is not a rule, it is just a gentleman's agreement to limit yourself. We can then see how you will rank against the rest of the field. There might be some surprises.
As an example of surprises, in 2015, The year of The Aristocrats, my Q45 took 10th overall. I was the highest place finisher at stock ride height and without engine modification (adding a turbo or engine swap.) I was however on 200tw RE71Rs that had about 2500 road miles on them with 2 autox events as well.
Voths crew usually runs lemons legal tires-aren't those 200TW?
The new 200tws are pretty amazing. It's really not that crippling to restrict yourself to 200.
In reply to MrJoshua:
Lemons and other budget focused endurance series require 200TW ratedo tires and it's helped the class of tire evolve as manufacturers have taken notice of the potential market. Heck Cooper now offers a tire that carries a 500TW with a 50,000 treadlife warranty that will hold over 1G on a skidpad and is M+S rated.
Use r-comps are available in a pretty wide variety of sizes, and for much, much cheaper than any decently performing new tire...except possibly finding a closeout deal on an older model. They likely won't be as fast as a brand new set, but they'll probably still be faster than a 200tw in a comparable size.
For my Auto-x car I had to go to 17 inch wheels to meet 200TW requirements. If I wanted slicks 15s would be fine.
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