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Woody
Woody MegaDork
8/18/14 7:21 a.m.

Since I'm sure that he's far too humble to mention it himself, I thought I'd point out that there is a nice little piece about Keith and The Seven in the current issue of Autoweek.

Woody
Woody MegaDork
8/18/14 7:28 a.m.

I'll add that it's Autoweek's DIY issue, and it's one of their best issues in recent memory. I suspect that it's no coincidence that it comes just a couple of weeks before my subscription expires. Looks like I'm going to be hooked for another couple of years. Though it's not what it once was (admittedly, neither am I), I just can't cut the cord with this magazine. I have only recently conceded that Satch isn't coming back...

NOHOME
NOHOME SuperDork
8/18/14 9:12 a.m.

Autoweek without Satch was not worth reading;I really like my Gonzo journalism. Then again, I also used to read it when Denise McCluggage had the odd editorial.

That said, I would love to read what they have to say about Keith's exploits.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
8/18/14 9:40 a.m.

It's a two-page overview of my little Seven project. Written by an enthusiast, you can tell. It's pretty well done.

DWNSHFT
DWNSHFT HalfDork
8/18/14 10:01 a.m.

Link? Scan? Cell phone photo of pages?

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
8/18/14 10:38 a.m.

Buy a copy folks, support print magazines!

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
8/18/14 10:48 a.m.

I will ask Autoweek if I can share a PDF of it after the issue leaves the shelves. GRM has been good about that in the past: http://www.cheapsportscar.net/images/oct_64_75_atom.pdf

Downgraded cell phone photo to encourage purchases of said Autoweek issue.

alfadriver
alfadriver UltimaDork
8/18/14 11:02 a.m.

Nice article. Didn't read the entire issue, but I may have to keep an eye on AW, and note the direction they are going. I dropped them quite a few years ago due to the lack of articles on realistic cars. It was becoming more of a aspirational lifestyle mag that wasn't about being a car person, but more an image of one.

As for the car, I still have a build of a 7 in the back of my mind. But I've got to actually work on my Miata before I tackle another real project. Mine would be Alfa based, since I have possesion of most of the parts to make one.

Woody
Woody MegaDork
8/18/14 11:40 a.m.

Denise still writes for them. Corey Farley and Natalie Neff are both really good as well.

Woody
Woody MegaDork
8/18/14 11:41 a.m.

There's also a good article on Dick Guldstrand in the same issue.

dculberson
dculberson UberDork
8/18/14 12:11 p.m.
alfadriver wrote: As for the car, I still have a build of a 7 in the back of my mind. But I've got to actually work on my Miata before I tackle another real project. Mine would be Alfa based, since I have possesion of most of the parts to make one.

An Alfa based seven would be awesome.

Ian F
Ian F UltimaDork
8/18/14 12:16 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: Buy a copy folks, support print magazines!

I don't think I've ever seen Autoweek in a store.

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
8/18/14 12:41 p.m.

I've never seen that or Aviation Week in a store either.

plance1
plance1 Dork
8/18/14 11:01 p.m.

I gave up on "autoweak" years ago when they went from being a car magazine to being some kind of goofy lifestyle magazine. Instead of writing about cars they began to extoll the virtues of expensive pens, cuff links and other rich guy nonsense. I wrote the editor who I think is the spoiled kid of the founder and he was a complete d-bag. Are they back to writing about cars?

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
8/18/14 11:42 p.m.

In at least this case, yes.

It would be fun to see a thread with a car magazine mentioned that wasn't full of moaning about how good it used to be and how much it sucks now - oh, and can I get the content for free on the internet please?

alfadriver
alfadriver UltimaDork
8/19/14 7:11 a.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner:

It would be. But that would mean that magazines like Car and Driver and Road & Track have been continuing good writing and interesting reviews. And that Autoweek didn't progress to auto-everyother week, or Auto-lifestyle-every other week.

In other words, had magazines kept the quality that had most of us with multi year subscriptopns, we wouldn't be bitching about them, would we?

I had R&T, AW, and C&D for over 20 years before giving up on all of them.

hobiercr
hobiercr Dork
8/19/14 9:18 a.m.
alfadriver wrote: In reply to Keith Tanner: It would be. But that would mean that magazines like Car and Driver and Road & Track have been continuing good writing and interesting reviews. And that Autoweek didn't progress to auto-everyother week, or Auto-lifestyle-every other week. In other words, had magazines kept the quality that had most of us with multi year subscriptopns, we wouldn't be bitching about them, would we? I had R&T, AW, and C&D for over 20 years before giving up on all of them.

Quoted for truth. I started getting Autoweek back when it was the "big" size on uncoated paper. Had to quit it many years ago when it was entirely irrelevant to my interests.

Regardless, it is great to see Keith getting coverage though. Looks like a seriously fun car. Wheeler Dealers just did a Caterham 7 so these just jumped up on my list of things to possibly own one day.

oldeskewltoy
oldeskewltoy SuperDork
8/19/14 11:15 a.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: Buy a copy folks, support print magazines!

Their costs are just too high... their content just too low

Basil Exposition
Basil Exposition Dork
8/19/14 1:42 p.m.

I quit visiting their webpage when they deleted the Grid Girl galleries.

Woody
Woody MegaDork
8/19/14 1:56 p.m.
oldeskewltoy wrote:
Keith Tanner wrote: Buy a copy folks, support print magazines!
Their costs are just too high... their content just too low

I'm pretty sure that the last time I renewed it was two years for $20.

alfadriver
alfadriver UltimaDork
8/19/14 2:15 p.m.
Woody wrote:
oldeskewltoy wrote:
Keith Tanner wrote: Buy a copy folks, support print magazines!
Their costs are just too high... their content just too low
I'm pretty sure that the last time I renewed it was two years for $20.

For all but this issue, the content/cost ratio still does not make sense. That would be just under $0.80 an issue. Yea, too much for what's in it.

I turned down C&D and R&T for $.75 an issue. $8 for a year on each. Not worth the effort to just throw them away.

If this trend continues beyond this issue, it would be good to look at it, sure.

(then again, i have a library a short walk from my office that has ALL of the car magazines. Where I read Racecar Engineering)

oldeskewltoy
oldeskewltoy SuperDork
8/19/14 2:42 p.m.
Woody wrote:
oldeskewltoy wrote:
Keith Tanner wrote: Buy a copy folks, support print magazines!
Their costs are just too high... their content just too low
I'm pretty sure that the last time I renewed it was two years for $20.

It isn't the $20 bucks so much.....

trees... landfills...

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
8/19/14 3:03 p.m.

In reply to Keith Tanner:

Sorry for the hijack, but thanks for being just classy. I know you're not a full-on civilian, but it's nice to see someone from the non-magazine side sticking up for us. (Yeah, us. Most publishers have high regard and respect for what the others are doing, because we realize it's not freakin' easy.)

Ok, back to the topic at hand, which is Keith's well-deserved feature in A/W.

Margie

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
8/19/14 5:53 p.m.

Thanks Margie.

I subscribe to both electronic and print versions of various magazines. And it's the print ones that get read first. So I don't want them to go away.

The thing is - if the magazines give you quality, like R&T's long form articles or EVO's consistent excellence in writing and photography - will you reward them for it by buying them? Or will you wait until they're pirated/scanned/ripped off so you can get it for free? If it's the latter, well, it's pretty obvious what's going to happen in the long run. Print publications aren't like the music industry, the writers can't go on tour and sell t-shirts and live shows after their pirated work gains them fans.

I've got subscriptions to R&T and EVO, so my money is where my mouth is. Those of you who say you gave up on R&T x years ago, I recommend you pick up a recent issue and read some of the longer articles. Not just flip through and complain about the layout of some random page. Read it. They've got some great writers working for them these days. The article about the Copperhead rally was killer.

Obviously, CM and GRM are doing something right. The content is meaty and the issues keep getting fatter. And everyone here is probably a subscriber, many for the next decade. They're healthy magazines in unhealthy times. But they're healthy because we reward them for good work. Do the same for others.

dyintorace
dyintorace UberDork
8/19/14 7:32 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: Thanks Margie. I subscribe to both electronic and print versions of various magazines. And it's the print ones that get read first. So I don't want them to go away. The thing is - if the magazines give you quality, like R&T's long form articles or EVO's consistent excellence in writing and photography - will you reward them for it by buying them? Or will you wait until they're pirated/scanned/ripped off so you can get it for free? If it's the latter, well, it's pretty obvious what's going to happen in the long run. Print publications aren't like the music industry, the writers can't go on tour and sell t-shirts and live shows after their pirated work gains them fans. I've got subscriptions to R&T and EVO, so my money is where my mouth is. Those of you who say you gave up on R&T x years ago, I recommend you pick up a recent issue and read some of the longer articles. Not just flip through and complain about the layout of some random page. Read it. They've got some great writers working for them these days. The article about the Copperhead rally was killer. Obviously, CM and GRM are doing something right. The content is meaty and the issues keep getting fatter. And everyone here is probably a subscriber, many for the next decade. They're healthy magazines in unhealthy times. But they're healthy because we reward them for good work. Do the same for others.

+1. I subscribe to GRM, C&D, R&T, Hemmings and a few others I think. Rarely do I visit any of their websites, other than this forum. Granted I'm probably older than many here, but I am almost exclusively a print guy. Keith, your comment on R&T is spot on. I think Larry Webster is doing good things there and I really enjoy Sam Smith. They also have Chris Harris writing for them now and he's quite entertaining. They're no GRM, but they put out a good product.

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