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Curmudgeon
Curmudgeon SuperDork
2/13/11 4:15 p.m.

http://forums.24hoursoflemons.com/viewtopic.php?id=4861&p=1

Osterkraut
Osterkraut SuperDork
2/13/11 6:12 p.m.

This is the Lemons version of the "Zamboni" loophole. Looks like somebody is taking advantage of it!

ckosacranoid
ckosacranoid Dork
2/13/11 8:04 p.m.

wow is all i can say.....

VonSmallhausen
VonSmallhausen New Reader
2/13/11 8:09 p.m.

Appleseed
Appleseed SuperDork
2/14/11 2:58 p.m.

That Jacobs radial won't last a mile. Too many quirks in an airplane, let alone in a car. Neat, but a waste of an engine.

mad_machine
mad_machine SuperDork
2/14/11 3:00 p.m.

do they give an award for most impressive blow up?

ClemSparks
ClemSparks SuperDork
2/14/11 3:02 p.m.

That

ClemSparks
ClemSparks SuperDork
2/14/11 3:02 p.m.

Is

ClemSparks
ClemSparks SuperDork
2/14/11 3:02 p.m.

AWESOME!

aeronca65t
aeronca65t Dork
2/14/11 3:05 p.m.

Just FYI: If that motor runs (or even turns), it's worth a fair amount in the aviation area. I'd put it up for sale in Trade-A-Plane and buy a regular engine with the profit.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 Dork
2/14/11 3:35 p.m.

I guess it's safe to say that there aren't any prefab parts available for that particular engine swap.

ClemSparks
ClemSparks SuperDork
2/14/11 3:47 p.m.

Oh...I wouldn't rule that out until you've had a very thorough look through a JC Whitney Catalogue.

Clem

spitfirebill
spitfirebill Dork
2/14/11 4:01 p.m.

Isn't it a Kinner and not a shakey Jake?

I don't know why, call me crazy, but I so want a radial engined airplane.

Curmudgeon
Curmudgeon SuperDork
2/14/11 6:23 p.m.

He said at some point that the motor turns over easily and has compression. One pic shows 'Kinner' on an engine casting.

The crazy part is all the changing directions and speeds that the power output is taking. Since this motor only turns something like 2000 RPM, he's using a ~2.67:1 reduction box to step the RPM up at the transmission input shaft. The two lower cylinders 'straddle' the transmission.

tuna55
tuna55 Dork
2/14/11 8:32 p.m.

I really really really really hope that they get it going. That is utterly fantastic. If I was gay...

peter
peter Reader
2/14/11 8:54 p.m.

oops, I got my "radial" and "rotary" engines mixed up in my head. I thought this was one of the WW I style rotaries where the cylinders spin around the crankshaft... oy. in that case, this looks almost sensible...

Slyp_Dawg
Slyp_Dawg Reader
2/15/11 7:53 a.m.

that car is terrifying. not quite as ambitious as the M14c powered gogomobil that came out of Germany a few months ago, but still damned impressive and if they get it running and keep it from overheating every other minute and manage to drive it well, I wouldn't be surprised if it either wins or comes close to winning it.

Appleseed
Appleseed SuperDork
2/15/11 8:25 a.m.

Wait, I digress, its the Kinners that have the problems in spades.

Raze
Raze Dork
2/15/11 8:47 a.m.

Um, I'm pretty sure that old of a radial will need leaded gas...

edit, he states since it has valve seats it doesn't need leaded gas, but that's not the only reason to run it, hope he knows that, especially when the temps get high...

pilotbraden
pilotbraden HalfDork
2/15/11 9:20 a.m.

Those engines run on 80 octane fuel. If he has the proper valve seats 87 octane unleaded will be fine. It is a common conversion on aircraft.

Raze
Raze Dork
2/15/11 9:29 a.m.
pilotbraden wrote: Those engines run on 80 octane fuel. If he has the proper valve seats 87 octane unleaded will be fine. It is a common conversion on aircraft.

forgot about the low octane rating once upon a long time ago

mad_machine
mad_machine SuperDork
2/15/11 9:34 a.m.

I just want to know how he is going to keep those lower cylinders cool..

pilotbraden
pilotbraden HalfDork
2/15/11 9:38 a.m.

There is actually too much lead in 100LL for most of the old low compression engines. They will foul the plugs. I have found the specs on the Kinner R-5. It has some low compression. I also wonder how that engine will respond to the continous changes in power. Aircraft tend to run at a constant load.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinner_R-5

ansonivan
ansonivan HalfDork
2/15/11 10:18 a.m.

Dude addresses the fuel issue on the second page of the LeMons thread, apparently that engine has valve seats and does not require leaded fuel.

So much awesome happening, 160hp and 600 lb ft of torque. Makes diesel engines look gutless and rev happy.

Raze
Raze Dork
2/15/11 10:23 a.m.
pilotbraden wrote: There is actually too much lead in 100LL for most of the old low compression engines. They will foul the plugs. I have found the specs on the Kinner R-5. It has some low compression. I also wonder how that engine will respond to the continous changes in power. Aircraft tend to run at a constant load. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinner_R-5

not only that, but given the speed and clean airstream, it'll be a trick to keep it cool.

I also want to know how to drive it, maybe floor it while braking into a corner so it'll be revving enough to power out of the corner?

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