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92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
2/20/12 11:08 a.m.

Title might be a misnomer... i'm not entirely sure i'll be doing any of the work myself just yet.

Just trying to make a list at the moment.

So far i've got:

Pistons/rings
Rod bearings
full gasket kit
ARP rod bolts
ARP head bolts

Anything else i should be buying in terms of parts for the bottom end?

pres589
pres589 Dork
2/20/12 11:11 a.m.

Water & Oil pump? Tack weld oil pump pickup tube to pump at same time. Windage tray / crank scraper could be done at this time as well.

Javelin
Javelin SuperDork
2/20/12 11:14 a.m.

Main bearings, oil seals, freeze plugs, oil pump, harmonic balancer, pilot bushing, any sensors/threaded plugs in the bottom end, plasti-gage, sealant, assembly lube, mineral oil...

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
2/20/12 11:14 a.m.
pres589 wrote: Water & Oil pump? Tack weld oil pump pickup tube to pump at same time. Windage tray / crank scraper could be done at this time as well.

Does anyone make a crank scraper for F2T?

Sending you a PM...

N Sperlo
N Sperlo SuperDork
2/20/12 11:15 a.m.

Beer

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
2/20/12 11:18 a.m.
Javelin wrote: Main bearings, oil seals, freeze plugs, oil pump, harmonic balancer, pilot bushing, any sensors/threaded plugs in the bottom end, plasti-gage, sealant, assembly lube, mineral oil...

Thanks, don't know how i forgot main bearings.

Just want to say i love this motor...

for all things mentioned in this thread so far... looking at $913 shipped for all this stuff.

For 3 of each.

DukeOfUndersteer
DukeOfUndersteer SuperDork
2/20/12 11:19 a.m.
N Sperlo wrote: Beer

Came in here to post that

JFX001
JFX001 SuperDork
2/20/12 11:23 a.m.

Patience.

Javelin
Javelin SuperDork
2/20/12 11:36 a.m.

For $913 I could build an entire small block Chevy and make twice the power.

As you get to the top end...

Cam bearings, followers/rockers, valve seals, springs, retainers, freeze plugs, sensors/threaded plugs, timing chains/belts, distributor/reluctor, water pump, fuel injector o-rings...

Tools:

Ring compressor/bore-sized piston installer, torque wrench (ft/lbs), torque wrench (inch/lbs), dial gauge, ring file, proper sockets for torquing with no extensions, rod bolt stretch gauge, timing alignment tools, timing light, oil pump primer...

Oh and, woodruff keys, pulley pullers/installers, press, level, machinists square, brake cleaner spray, assembly lube...

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
2/20/12 11:38 a.m.

Ok, updated list:

Pistons/rings
Rod bearings
Main bearings
full gasket kit
ARP rod bolts
ARP head bolts
Water pump
Oil pump
Freeze plugs

Lubes.
Beer.
Patience.

Harmonic balancer, having a hard time finding. Will probably have to order from Mazda. Ouch.

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
2/20/12 11:39 a.m.
Javelin wrote: For $913 I could build an entire small block Chevy and make twice the power. As you get to the top end... Cam bearings, followers/rockers, valve seals, springs, retainers, freeze plugs, sensors/threaded plugs, timing chains/belts, distributor/reluctor, water pump, fuel injector o-rings... Tools: Ring compressor/bore-sized piston installer, torque wrench (ft/lbs), torque wrench (inch/lbs), dial gauge, ring file, proper sockets for torquing with no extensions, rod bolt stretch gauge, timing alignment tools, timing light, oil pump primer... Oh and, woodruff keys, pulley pullers/installers, press, level, machinists square, brake cleaner spray, assembly lube...

That's.... $913 for THREE motors.

I already have three heads done, just worrying about bottom end(s) at the moment.

I'm not entirely sure i'll be doing the assembly, probably not.

Javelin
Javelin SuperDork
2/20/12 11:44 a.m.

Still not impressively low.

You also haven't purchased everything to build the motor.

And why three? Do KL's go for a premium before Race Wars?

DukeOfUndersteer
DukeOfUndersteer SuperDork
2/20/12 11:45 a.m.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: Lubes. Beer. Patience.

Sounds like my typical Friday night...

EvanB
EvanB SuperDork
2/20/12 11:52 a.m.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: That's.... $913 for THREE motors. I already have three heads done, just worrying about bottom end(s) at the moment. I'm not entirely sure i'll be doing the assembly, probably not.

So you are going to build 3 and use the first 2 to see how much boost you can cram into them before they pop? In that case you need a video camera as well.

EvanB
EvanB SuperDork
2/20/12 11:52 a.m.

Or twin engine MX6 with one for a spare?

JFX001
JFX001 SuperDork
2/20/12 11:53 a.m.
DukeOfUndersteer wrote:
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: Lubes. Beer. Patience.
Sounds like my typical Friday night...

Welcome to Ohio....

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
2/20/12 11:54 a.m.
Javelin wrote: Still not impressively low. You also haven't purchased *everything* to build the motor. And why three? Do KL's go for a premium before Race Wars?

Not doing KLs.

F2Ts. Haven't purchased anything yet... trying to figure out feasibility of an idea or two at the moment.

One idea might be trying to actually find out the limits of this motor since nobody really has before.

N Sperlo
N Sperlo SuperDork
2/20/12 11:54 a.m.
DukeOfUndersteer wrote:
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: Lubes. Beer. Patience.
Sounds like my typical Friday night...

More beer and patience due to the lack of lube used?

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
2/20/12 11:55 a.m.
EvanB wrote:
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: That's.... $913 for THREE motors. I already have three heads done, just worrying about bottom end(s) at the moment. I'm not entirely sure i'll be doing the assembly, probably not.
So you are going to build 3 and use the first 2 to see how much boost you can cram into them before they pop? In that case you need a video camera as well.

You should buy one and stick it in a Miata. I know for a fact they're stronger than the MSM motor you just put in yours.

EvanB
EvanB SuperDork
2/20/12 11:55 a.m.

I don't even want to ask how much...

pres589
pres589 Dork
2/20/12 11:58 a.m.

I know you mentioned bottom end and not top but I suggest finding a good source of supply for new HLA's.

Does anyone make a camshaft for this thing or is willing to do a custom cam?

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
2/20/12 12:00 p.m.
pres589 wrote: I know you mentioned bottom end and not top but I suggest finding a good source of supply for new HLA's. Does anyone make a camshaft for this thing or is willing to do a custom cam?

All heads already have new HLAs. The highest mileage head is the one on my car right now with less than 20k miles. Sealed power makes decent HLAs as well.

I just picked up another brand new rebuilt head, and already had the built head which has 10k or less miles.

Colt and Delta cams both do regrinds. I have a Delta "stage 4" in the built head.

pres589
pres589 Dork
2/20/12 12:05 p.m.

Well, what about a bellhousing to connect this thing to a non-Mazda transmission?

gjz30075
gjz30075 Reader
2/20/12 12:07 p.m.

Maybe I missed a previous thread. Why are you rebuilding? Maybe you'll be purchasing machine work.

92CelicaHalfTrac
92CelicaHalfTrac SuperDork
2/20/12 12:07 p.m.
pres589 wrote: Well, what about a bellhousing to connect this thing to a non-Mazda transmission?

E153 swap has been done, fairly well documented.. Not something i'm real worried about at the moment. If it comes to the point that i can't keep a transmission together for more than a year, then i'll dial it back. I don't have any desire to do that swap.

I've somewhat recently decided that the car is going to stick around for a few more years, so i'm going to get it ready to "go the distance," so to speak.

However... the current motor will have its last hurrah at the Challenge.

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