Remind me why I don't want...

A Mk III Supra.

Only caveat - you can't make mention of the car's weight as a reason, or the BHG issues.

Here's my thought: It's the only RWD 2+2 with double-wishbone suspension front and rear that can be found for anything resembling challenge money. Bonuses include the fact that the bolt pattern is 5x4.5, so my Mustang wheels should swap right over, it's an inline 6, and turbo is an option.

So... why don't I want this car, again?

I'm also open to hearing about any other RWD 2+2s with non-McPherson front suspension and non-chapman strut IRS, if such beasts exist.

You pretty much came up with the only two reasons someone might not want it.

Of course, the BHG issue isn't one. It affected the Turbo models because the n/a torque specs were used. If you re-torque them with the current CORRECT torque specs, no issues. The motor itself is an EXTREMELY sound design.

Soooo.... go get one?

Never worked on a NA version but the turbo ones I have worked on were rather simple easy to access things. I would imaging the the NA ones would be even simpler.

280z?

Drewsifer wrote: 280z?

I'm pretty sure 280Zs use chapman struts in the rear... not sure about the Z's front suspension, though.

I have an RX-7, and even I won't try to talk you out of it.

Simple logic: You don't want it because you do, therefore you should buy it so you don't want it anymore...

Do eet! Then remind us why you wanted us to remind you not to buy it.

The SC 300/400 is pretty much the same thing, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexus_SC#First_generation_.281992.E2.80.932001.29

Awhile back, there was a turbo'd SC 300 for sale in Tampa listed in the GRM classifieds. IIRC, it was putting out over 400rwhp.

dyintorace wrote: The SC 300/400 is pretty much the same thing, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexus_SC#First_generation_.281992.E2.80.932001.29 Awhile back, there was a turbo'd SC 300 for sale in Tampa listed in the GRM classifieds. IIRC, it was putting out over 400rwhp.

That's MKiv.

He's talking MKiii.

Yeah, I'm not sure the suspension setup on the Mk IVs/SCs. I know the 1UZ-FE in the SC400s is a sweet, sweet motor, but no UZ block has ever come in front of a manual tranny that I'm aware of (maybe in Australia?)

Looks like you've thought of the major issues with the Supra. For other options:

You might be able to snag an SC300 at Challenge prices, if you try hard enough. Yes, they have unequal length control arms front and rear.

MN12 Thunderbirds would fit the bill, but are even heavier.

I never knew that about MN12s...

Some ford guy I am... {kicks rocks}

ReverendDexter wrote: Yeah, I'm not sure the suspension setup on the Mk IVs/SCs. I know the 1UZ-FE in the SC400s is a sweet, sweet motor, but no UZ block has ever come in front of a manual tranny that I'm aware of (maybe in Australia?)

Just the SC300 came with a manual (and 6 cyl motor). The SC400's were all autos, at least here.

93celicaGT2 wrote: That's MKiv. He's talking MKiii.

My bad! I'm just this side of clueless in that world.

You don't want it because its... er... um... well... Heavy? DOH!

Don't make me want one of these...

ReverendDexter wrote: A Mk III Supra. Only caveat - you can't make mention of the car's weight as a reason, or the BHG issues. Here's my thought: It's the *only* RWD 2+2 with double-wishbone suspension front *and* rear that can be found for anything resembling challenge money. Bonuses include the fact that the bolt pattern is 5x4.5, so my Mustang wheels should swap right over, it's an inline 6, and turbo is an option. So... why don't I want this car, again? I'm also open to hearing about any other RWD 2+2s with non-McPherson front suspension and non-chapman strut IRS, if such beasts exist.

Alfa GTV6?

Sweet V6 up front and no struts up front or back.

Raze wrote: Simple logic: You don't want it because you do, therefore you should buy it so you don't want it anymore...

Sums it up quite nicely. We have two MKIIs in the fleet and would not mind adding a few MKIIIs

Varkwso wrote: We have two MKIIs in the fleet and would not mind adding a few MKIIIs

Yeah, I love the looks of the Mk II; it's certainly a much more attractive car than the Mk III.

m4ff3w wrote: Alfa GTV6? Sweet V6 up front and no struts up front or back.

I've never seen one in the flesh, much less seen one for sale.

California doesn't seem to have near the amount of old European cars that the East coast does (but we seem to have a lot more vintage Japanese iron).

Those use a de Deon suspension out back, don't they? With inboard discs?